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The Ontario Ban-wagon... where can i get off? (pg. 9)
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| smuncky |
so it's been 24 hours since your first post jay.
mind posting any sources for some of those bans that you posted on the first page? |
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| Jayx1 |
Here is one:
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Toronto to fine people who refuse to recycle
Posted by: WorkCabin on October 18, 2008 6:46 PM | Permalink | Comments (0)
How do you get tough on people who refuse to recycle?
If you live in Toronto, you slap them with a $105 fine.
Starting in 2009, the City of Toronto will launch Canada's toughest action to force people who refuse to use their blue boxes to get with the program. If they don't, they'll be forced to pay.
The city won't necessarily take a heavy-handed approach -- at first. Homeowners who don't put out their blue boxes will receive a letter encouraging them to start. Continued refusal to participate in recycling will then result in a visit from a bylaw officer. After that, the resident could be fined.
For years the city has undertaken educational efforts to promote recycling among residents. The decision to implement fines is seen as the next logical step for those residents who simply refuse to use their blue boxes
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| Jayx1 |
Here is another:
| quote: | Toronto to target recycling scavengers
TORONTO, Aug. 7 (UPI) -- Scavengers who target Toronto's recycling boxes for returnable beer, wine and liquor containers will soon face fines for stealing, city officials said.
Last year, the province of Ontario placed a return value on all containers that contained alcohol, sparking a wave of scavenging and "Dumpster diving" as a means to make money.
However, Geoff Rathbone, the head of the city's solid waste department, told The Globe and Mail a crackdown including $360 fines was coming by the fall.
He said once the recycled materials are placed in plastic boxes at the curb for collection, they become city property.
He said the city is losing money from the loss of aluminum cans, which it sells for more than $2,000 a ton.
"A lot of people tend to think it's providing cash to homeless individuals, whatever, but from a solid-waste perspective, we do want to crack down on it," Rathbone said.
Despite the refundable deposit imposed last year and the associated wave of scavenging, Toronto still collected 13,115 tons of beer, wine and liquor bottles in 2007, the report said. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | By Allison Hanes, National Post
City hall is getting ready to crack down on people who attempt to hide trash amid their recyclables and compost, as Toronto begins charging for garbage pick-up next month.
Trash scofflaws can already be ticketed and fined $125 for mixing the various types of waste set out on the curb for collection by the city, said Steven Byrd, manager of waste enforcement in the department of licensing and standards.
In the past this has mostly involved residents being careless, throwing used bottles or organic food in the trash can instead of the designated blue or green bins.
But Mr. Byrd said the opposite could end up occurring when Toronto starts charging for garbage collection, so the city is now tweaking its bylaws and preparing for an enforcement blitz. The blue and green bins are collected for free.
“What we’re thinking is that in the future as we roll out this new program, we’re anticipating that contamination will take place in the recycling stream because of course there’s no cost to remove the recycling stream. But there is a cost associated with how much waste someone puts out,” he said. “So I would expect that you might see someone trying to hide their garbage in the recycling bin and I think that’s where we’re really going to see the contamination.”
To reach its goal of diverting 70% of waste from landfill sites by 2010, Toronto will charge for trash collection starting next month.
Households can offset the cost with a $209 rebate on their utility bill. The pick-up fees depend on bin size: $199 annually for the smallest receptacle; $248 for medium; $342 for large; and $399 for extra large cans. Extra bags on the curb, which must be tagged, cost $3.10 each.
Recycling and compost pick-up will remain free, but the city is expanding blue and green bin collection to high-rises, meaning 100% of Toronto households will soon participate in the program.
Mr. Byrd said the aim is not to bust people who make genuine mistakes or don’t understand the changes, and the city plans to do plenty of education and issue fair warnings before any tickets are handed out.
City garbage collectors will leave notes at residences that don’t comply with the bylaw. Problem cases will be reported to the waste enforcement division and bylaw officers will then visit homeowners to explain what they’re doing wrong.
“If the problem persists yet again then we’ll go back and issue a more formal warning to the resident or the property owner. Then if it happens yet again, then we’ll be back with an offence notice and issue a ticket,” said Mr. Byrd. “We’re more interested in the people who are chronic and are just not on board with the program and they’re being very blatant about what they’re doing.” |
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| Jayx1 |
my answer for apartment dwellers is to ONLY recycle the sure things such as cans and bottles and chuck the rest into the general apartment garbage shute just so there are no mix ups. Aside from garbage stake outs (dont underestimate miller on this) i cant see how they could lay a charge in that case.
For homeowners same thing for recycling but just to avoid the garbage police i suggest more creative ways of throwing out your garbage. Just make sure you dont leave anything with personal info on it in the process.
If the government wants to be subversive then you have to be as well |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
BUT..... if you dont belong out in the middle of the road you better ing run like hell!! |
Thats teh way it was in Ireland (Dublin) when I was there 10+ years ago.
You pretty much alwasy had to show very reasonable and proper caution when crossing roads, bc drivers didnt slow down generally.
Move! You're in their right-of-way path, and if they hit you, guess who's gonna be most hurt (or dead)... |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Europe = full respect for pedestrians when they have the legal right of way. BUT..... if you dont belong out in the middle of the road you better ing run like hell!! |
Even when you have the right of way I've noticed you don't get that much respect to be honest. Maybe it depends where in Europe. But I've had to sprint across crosswalks a number of times. Nothing better to get the adrenaline going :p |
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| exstasie |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Even when you have the right of way I've noticed you don't get that much respect to be honest. Maybe it depends where in Europe. But I've had to sprint across crosswalks a number of times. Nothing better to get the adrenaline going :p |
I don't think Montreal is any better lol
Pedestrians have no 'rights' according to all the cab drivers haha
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
you can't just stop at cell phones then....ban everything that is a distraction. Cell phones are no more a distraction then passengers in a vehicle.
Yes, there are certain things that you just shouldn't do when driving, like shaving or putting make up on...or like I saw this morning, a woman doing her nails. Should we just ban all these activities or should we just enforce the careless driving law and start fining these people or throwing them in jail. We don't need duplication in this law. |
You're right, we don't. We have a careless driving charge that should be enforced.
You guys must still be uptight about the zone thread, because I have never once said I supported this ban. I only said that since people are dillhole drivers there needs to be some sort of deterrent for ty behavior behind the wheel. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
my answer for apartment dwellers is to ONLY recycle the sure things such as cans and bottles and chuck the rest into the general apartment garbage shute just so there are no mix ups. Aside from garbage stake outs (dont underestimate miller on this) i cant see how they could lay a charge in that case. |
yeah I agree with this
both my roomie and I agreed that we will NOT recycle "natural" waste, because there is no way we'll keep the green bin in our apartment
otherwise we recycle all the usual suspects - cans, juice/milk cartons, paper etc etc |
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| Jayx1 |
I think these laws may actually succeed in getting people to recycle LESS! sad when you think about it. Even worse how they are going after individual recyclers who are faster and more efficient than the cumbersome bureaucracy that intends to punish them.
If tying all these things together doesnt show people the city's true agenda (and its not about saving the environment) then i dont know what will.
I know i will be looking to protect myself from accidental prosecution and it will most likely result in less recycling. |
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| exstasie |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
yeah I agree with this
both my roomie and I agreed that we will NOT recycle "natural" waste, because there is no way we'll keep the green bin in our apartment
otherwise we recycle all the usual suspects - cans, juice/milk cartons, paper etc etc |
What's wrong with the green bin in the house? most people keep the small bin in the house and then put it in the big green bin.
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