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Anti-Jew Movement (pg. 12)
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
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Sorry, I thought you meant only holocaust (industrialized slaughter in the camps) deaths. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Sorry, I thought you meant only holocaust (industrialized slaughter in the camps) deaths. |
We aren't talking about war losses though. |
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| squirrelly |
Since Mr. Jackass kept talking about how Jews weren't the only ones affected by WWII and how we're "not special" I posted the TOTAL numbers (since the jew deaths are insignificant)
Yes, that was my bitchy side coming out.
hiss hiss :disbelief |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
Since Mr. Jackass kept talking about how Jews weren't the only ones affected by WWII and how we're "not special" I posted the TOTAL numbers (since the jew deaths are insignificant)
Yes, that was my bitchy side coming out.
hiss hiss :disbelief |
Yes, but I side with Moral as he said earlier, that we put too much significance on things, such as only the death of Jews during the holocaust. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brian Scott
What really gets me is that nobody seems to have a good reason to hate the Jews beyond the devout Christians who blame us for the murder of Jesus. Anybody care to shed some light on this? |
The losers of the world tend to hate successful minorities and blame them for their problems. Thus the "Jewish conspiracy" theories of the Nazis and today's extremist Muslims. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Yes, but I side with Moral as he said earlier, that we put too much significance on things, such as only the death of Jews during the holocaust. |
You've misunderstood me... I don't think there is too much significance apportioned to the 1940s holocaust; rather, I simply recognize that the attention it gets is disproportionate to other holocausts that have occurred. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
"Zionist" is a term used too loosely by the jew-hating organizations. Here's a few examples... I've been on campus watching an arabic 'documentary' (haha) on Jews and Judaism, although the Arabic word Yahud (Jew) is used, the English subtitles read "Zionists". At the recent protests, I hear Yahud when spoken amongst themselves, but when speaking english on the camera, "zionists" comes out once again in its place. The word zionists is used by other groups as a fluffy way to legitimize their agenda. I was not talking about the words definition, but how it is used in propaganda. Martin Luther King made this observation himself and noted it. |
The US rarely uses the word Zionist in the media in a general sense, unless they are talking about the settlers. And since the settlers are the Zionist Jews, this is correct in usage. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The losers of the world tend to hate successful minorities and blame them for their problems. Thus the "Jewish conspiracy" theories of the Nazis and today's extremist Muslims. |
Except the Nazi view of Jews was far more closely related to the European Jewries tendency to organize themselves in highly insular communities that were primarily interested in their own wellbeing then that of the larger community. Also, one could hardly argue that the German Jews were successful minorities in the inter-war period as their hardships were just as pronounced as the general populations. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
You've misunderstood me... I don't think there is too much significance apportioned to the 1940s holocaust; rather, I simply recognize that the attention it gets is disproportionate to other holocausts that have occurred. |
Ahh, yes. That is very true. |
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| squirrelly |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Yes, but I side with Moral as he said earlier, that we put too much significance on things, such as only the death of Jews during the holocaust. |
I threw up those numbers only because Mongoose kept insisting that the 64 years that have passed was enough to not care anymore about the significance of the war and the deaths (Jews or not). I think people still care about those numbers.
And Jews tend to be bitter about WWII because it is reminiscent of all the crusades held against them over the years, such as Council of Toledo, The First, Second, and Third Crusades, the Bishop of Limoges... and so many more. So yeah, I think Jews tend to hold on to grudges longer, but they (more or less) have their own reasons. And the one that only happened 64 years ago is still too fresh in everyone's memories. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
I threw up those numbers only because Mongoose kept insisting that the 64 years that have passed was enough to not care anymore about the significance of the war and the deaths (Jews or not). I think people still care about those numbers.
And Jews tend to be bitter about WWII because it is reminiscent of all the crusades held against them over the years, such as Council of Toledo, The First, Second, and Third Crusades, the Bishop of Limoges... and so many more. So yeah, I think Jews tend to hold on to grudges longer, but they (more or less) have their own reasons. And the one that only happened 64 years ago is still too fresh in everyone's memories. |
Yeah I know. A lot of from the Cristian sects of the world. Amongst others. Well aware of this. Remember, I wasn't born/raised a Jew, but my father still taught us a lot of the history and . :D
Damnit, I want to go to a damn Sader. It has been too ing long. I missed passover this year. :( |
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| Moongoose |
Well there getting mad are we? Too bad, you should chill the down and actualy for once in this thread look exactly what i wrote. If you will you will find that i didnt say that the whole thing has to be forgotten. But at the same time, there is no need to still be in everybody's face all of the time, with a few notable exceptions everybody knows what was going on and isnt likely to forget especially when you are presented with facts instead of emotional outbursts.
And 70 million jews were marched to caps? Well lets say i trust your source when you say that. Considering that about 5 million were killed, that's more than 90% survival rate. I dont wish to say not bad because you'll explode in murderous rage again but i seriously doubt that people who were doing the fighting had a survival rate that good. |
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