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Anti-Jew Movement (pg. 13)
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Except the Nazi view of Jews was far more closely related to the European Jewries tendency to organize themselves in highly insular communities that were primarily interested in their own wellbeing then that of the larger community. Also, one could hardly argue that the German Jews were successful minorities in the inter-war period as their hardships were just as pronounced as the general populations. |
But the actual status of the Jews is irrelevant. What's relevant is the delusional fantasies that the Nazis had about the power of Jews to keep the Germans down.
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
And Jews tend to be bitter about WWII because it is reminiscent of all the crusades held against them over the years, such as Council of Toledo, The First, Second, and Third Crusades, the Bishop of Limoges... and so many more. So yeah, I think Jews tend to hold on to grudges longer, but they (more or less) have their own reasons. And the one that only happened 64 years ago is still too fresh in everyone's memories. |
First and crusades were against the Turks, the third was against Saladin. Of course Jews were caught up in the whole mess but you had already lost the holy land by that point... blame the turks! |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
But the actual status of the Jews is irrelevant. What's relevant is the delusional fantasies that the Nazis had about the power of Jews to keep the Germans down.
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I disagree... the delusional fantasies were propaganda to flame the fire of an anti-semitism born of more practical concerns. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I disagree... the delusional fantasies were propaganda to flame the fire of an anti-semitism born of more practical concerns. |
What "practical concerns?" |
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| squirrelly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Well there getting mad are we? Too bad, you should chill the down and actualy for once in this thread look exactly what i wrote. If you will you will find that i didnt say that the whole thing has to be forgotten. But at the same time, there is no need to still be in everybody's face all of the time, with a few notable exceptions everybody knows what was going on and isnt likely to forget especially when you are presented with facts instead of emotional outbursts.
And 70 million jews were marched to caps? Well lets say i trust your source when you say that. Considering that about 5 million were killed, that's more than 90% survival rate. I dont wish to say not bad because you'll explode in murderous rage again but i seriously doubt that people who were doing the fighting had a survival rate that good. |
I never said 70 million jews were marched to the camps. I said "Over SEVENTY MILLION PEOPLE were ing marched to their death over their religion, heritage, and looks!" Meaning, soldiers, jews, nazi's - anyone involved in WWII in general were killed over religion, heritage, and looks. Learn how to read. And if you didn't want to read that post over again, you could have continued reading the thread to get further clarification where we discussed how I was talking about total # of people killed in WWII not just jews in camps.
and lol at blame the turks! :stongue: |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
What "practical concerns?" |
For an incredibly nationalistic authoritarian group who's ideology is at very least partly routed in the idea that their ethno-racial group is superior to all others the existence of a well organized highly insular group of persons acting against your interests during the build up to an eventual never ending war for the glory of all Germans and to a lesser degree all Nordics isn't exactly a good thing. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
The US rarely uses the word Zionist in the media in a general sense, unless they are talking about the settlers. And since the settlers are the Zionist Jews, this is correct in usage. |
Not talking about reporters, they're not the only ones on the airwaves, it's those who get on the media. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
Not talking about reporters, they're not the only ones on the airwaves, it's those who get on the media. |
People on/in media = media. No semantics here.
Also, unless you watch Fox News, which sadly is a large portion, you aren't really going to hear it used improperly. Even on Fox, it isn't THAT bad. Not that it couldn't improve, but it could be worse. |
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| Moongoose |
Well believe it or not, i have other things to do during my day than to piss you off so im not behind the computer all of the time. I hit reply when i saw you post and actually posted what i wrote later. But lets see what happens if i read the rest of the stuff you wrote.
| quote: | Since Mr. Jackass kept talking about how Jews weren't the only ones affected by WWII and how we're "not special" I posted the TOTAL numbers (since the jew deaths are insignificant)
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| quote: | | I threw up those numbers only because Mongoose kept insisting that the 64 years that have passed was enough to not care anymore about the significance of the war and the deaths (Jews or not). I think people still care about those numbers. |
Ah, and your point in doing this was what exactly. Perhaps telling me that ww2 was a terrible thing, something that i said that i already know, that every sane person on this world knows. But lets take a look back to what i actually said shall we.
In response to brian scotts claim that keeping the memories fresh allows you to remind the rest of the world of what happened and to keep history from repeating itself (great job btw, no other holocaust yes as of end of ww2) I said this.
| quote: | | The rest of the world doesn't care and has moved on already. And relating to the thread title this might be a reason for the alleged anti jew moment. The world has had enough of listening to complaints for 50+ years. Everybody suffered during the war, but the jews are the only ones still milking it for all that its worth. |
Now for a short explanation. Why does the world need to be reminded of what happened to you? What just jews were affected and nobody else? You posted the death toll yourself, 70 ing million dead, you don't forget that any time soon. And acting like everybody will forget if you don't shout about it all the time is quite ignorant. Every child that has gone trough a history class knows about the terrible cost of ww2, the reasons for it and its consequences so there is no need for you to keep reminding us about it. And since we are speaking of jew reminding people of the cost of ww2. be hones, you don't mention 70 million dead, you mention the horrible horrible suffering of the jews and that's it. Thats not reminding people of the terrible cost of the war, that's victimizing yourselves to get something out of it.
Also i was going to comment on your statement that i said jewish deaths are insignificant but i refuse to do that until you quote me saying that. |
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| Brian Scott |
Jews are awesome.
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| Abercrombie |
| This thread needs more Bar Rafaeli. |
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| Faj27 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brian Scott
I think many of us Jews are of Russian descent. Me? I'm Russian and Polish. I'm doubly (triply?) fooked. :stongue:
The reason why so many of us don't want to be labeled is because only a couple generations ago our ancestors were literally branded with tattoos. It's close enough in our past that it still hurts quite a bit. Think about the numbers: 6 million Jews murdered. Only 60+ million of us are alive today. Imagine if 10% of the world's Christian population were killed off simply because of their religion. Wouldn't there be an outpouring sympathy for their faction?
Back to the numbers, 60+ million Jews are living among 6 billion other people. We make up about 1% of the entire population on Earth, yet we are constantly on the front pages of newspapers and interwebs sites world-wide due to our being attacked or our defending of Israel. Why the hell are all of you so fascinated with us? |
between 1894-1922 approximately 3.5 million christians were killed when the ottoman empire conducted a policy of genocide of the christian population living within its extensive territory. during the second world war, two groups of orthodox christians were especially targeted for genocide by the nazis and their allies - the gypsies and the orthodox serbs of bosnia and croatia, while the population of greece, serbia, european russia, and ukraine were designated by the nazis to serve as slave labor for the third reich. in the soviet union it is estimated that 20 million christians (17 million orthodox and 3 million roman catholic) died or were interned as gulags (labor camps). between the tolls exacted from prisons, concentration camps, forced marches and exiles, warfare, famine, and brutal military occupation, it is reasonable to conclude that up to 50 million orthodox christians have perished in the first eight decades of the twentieth century.
and that's not even mentioning what's been going on in nigeria, madagascar, pakistan, iraq, saudi arabia and pretty much every where else in asia and the middle east.
holocausts happen to many other religions and cultures. i think what happened to this jews was terrible, i just think it's unfortunate that our schools, government and media only allude to "The Holocaust." |
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