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The Trance Only Syndrome (pg. 15)
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by paulandrews
Maybe it was him who should have payed attention since nowhere before did I talk about her solely as a musician. |
Again...what else matters besides the music? |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by paulandrews
Yes, but you say it like it's a bad thing. Average listener gets what he deserves due to his laziness, ignorance, and lack of curiosity. No artist could change that, I'm afraid. |
I am saying it like it's a bad thing because it is. |
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| paulandrews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
Exactly. This is why pop culture is such bull. Celebrities are worshipped, fussed over, discussed and photographed, day after day. In the end, the attention they receive isn't for their talent as a singer, artist or anything else; it's their sheer talent for marketing. Madonna is a prime example of this.
Yes, there are people who genuinely enjoy what I would consider awful music (you appear to be one of them), and that's fine. However, in my perfect world, the people who make music would be close to anonymous. I have always hated the marrying of music with politics, money or any other issue (i.e. Hurricane Carter). For me, music should be above all that, and that's why it annoys me to see some wit plying music (awful as it may be) and using that as a crutch to support other views or endeavours, knowing full well that the slobbering, mouth breathing masses will be right behind saying "we love you Lady Gaga, we read about you in the paper, you're famous and we want to be a part of your life." Outside criminal activities, celebrity worship is one of the crassest and destructive facets of Western culture. |
We're on the same page here. The difference is, I don't think me supporting real musicians, and hating everything mainstream could ever change that.
As the Burial case proved, you can be the antithesis of everything that pop culture represents, be good at what you're doing, and when you become so famous that you could possibly change anything on a bigger scale, the media force you to claim defeat by giving up your ideals.
I think it's horrible, actually, but it makes me reconsider what stance should I make on this issue.
| quote: | | Such as? What else has she genuinely got to contribute to society at large besides the poorly written inane splashes of noise she calls 'music'? |
Depends on what your definition of 'contribution to society at large' is. One could argue that no artist has ever contributed anything truly meaningful since art is just some escapist bull we could live without. What have Alphazone contributed, for example?
| quote: | | Besides, I don't even think she writes her own tracks. As if she ing knows how to work a synth. None of her tracks seem to feature traditional instruments, though I'm prepared to be corrected there. That's another facet of pop music/celebrity worship that pisses me off; half the dick heads getting praise for 'making music' aren't making it at all. |
She plays the piano (I posted links before) and writes some of her songs (not sure how many, but she obviously has people to help her produce stuff). |
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| paulandrews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I am saying it like it's a bad thing because it is. |
Who has something more to offer to the "average listener", though? |
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| paulandrews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
Again...what else matters besides the music? |
Just to make clear, I'm basically playing the devil's advocate here.
I've already said why I think she's worth a second look (of course, it depends on what your interests are, if they are purely musical, then probably not).
I like to think of her as a societal phenomenon, who in a way reflects everything that you've involved in your tirade. It's interesting to watch her as she's practically a big walking reference. Every time she shows up, she represents something completely different - be it the Giger alien, or a character from the French New Wave cinema. As if she wasn't a real person, only a neverending line of allusions.
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I have to leave now; will come back to this later.
| quote: | Originally posted by floyd741
It could also be that her songs are absolute . They are shallow in every way possible and her attempt at being some sort of revolutionary (may not be the right word, but it's the only one that comes to mind) artist is an obvious failure, you need only listen to one of her songs like Just Dance or Poker Face. |
Yeah, these two songs are pretty bad. |
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| DEAD_MOOSE |
| quote: | Originally posted by StalkerElmo
So, I was wondering, how many of you people out there have the same type of disorder I do? I can't help but to listen to trance out of all the times I listen to music, which is pretty much 24/7.
I find it that, listeners of another genre tend to have more than just one favorite genre.
But for me, I can't seem to listen to anything else but trance. I don't know if only occurs with me, but I sure hope not! I do listen to other genres here and there, but for the most part, my iPod is 95% trance and I can't stop listening to it sometimes.. gees, what did I do to myself!?
I think trance in particular is an acquired taste, what I mean is I don't think most people will like trance for the very first time they hear it. But after enough treatments of the best songs that strongly represent our genre or whatnot, in the end it pulls through but the mark it leaves on the listener is tremendous I think.
Anyway, I want your thoughts on this. Now. |
A limited knowledge of musical styles or the listener trying to make a point to themselves or others. People who bum one genre and one genre alone tend to be bumming the first and only genre they decided to admit to liking. Some closed minded idiots just stick with it. i'd feel sick if I had stayed only listening to trance and not moved onto listening to a broader range of styles. id suggest getting out more and avoiding podcasts from overgrown kids like armin, john irish callagan, and the rest of the crap heap. |
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| DEAD_MOOSE |
| quote: | Originally posted by paulandrews
Yeah, these two songs are pretty bad. |
You are wrong. They may appeal to the average joe, but these records boast a hell of a lot more musicality and charisma than the majority of pop music of the current era. |
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| Trance-MB |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
Yes, but that is a terrible argument.
You can find any of those things in virtually any genre.
Why don't you just be honest to yourself and others and just leave it at "I like trance music, and I don't have to have a reason for it" |
Not that I'm counting how many elements of other genres in a genre can be heard, but I doubt that there are many genres which use that many elements of other genres. But that was not my point and didn't mean to discuss that. Also didn't compare trance to other genres, I was just was talking about something I noticed and appearently some people feel the same way.
IMO these elements are one of the reasons of all the bashing in todays trance. I think on the other hand they also are one of the reasons why uplifting trance is that popular. The reason that I love trance meanwhile 23 years old, which was even before I heard trance, so don't tell me there is no reason. The reason I like trance has nothing to do with these elements, but they for sure do contribute that I still like trance as much as I did in 1994. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by paulandrews
Depends on what your definition of 'contribution to society at large' is. One could argue that no artist has ever contributed anything truly meaningful since art is just some escapist bull we could live without. What have Alphazone contributed, for example? |
Alphazone have contributed some pretty awful music, just like Lady Gaga. I don't think she has contributed anything else meaningful.
| quote: | Originally posted by paulandrews
Just to make clear, I'm basically playing the devil's advocate here.
I've already said why I think she's worth a second look (of course, it depends on what your interests are, if they are purely musical, then probably not).
I like to think of her as a societal phenomenon, who in a way reflects everything that you've involved in your tirade. It's interesting to watch her as she's practically a big walking reference. Every time she shows up, she represents something completely different - be it the Giger alien, or a character from the French New Wave cinema. As if she wasn't a real person, only a neverending line of allusions. |
Walking simulacrum? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I'd just like to say you've both had glaring opportunities to end/win this argument but you've both missed them and this debate is becoming increasingly tangential and meaningless. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'd just like to say you've both had glaring opportunities to end/win this argument but you've both missed them and this debate is becoming increasingly tangential and meaningless. |
Who's trying to win? |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-MB
Not that I'm counting how many elements of other genres in a genre can be heard, but I doubt that there are many genres which use that many elements of other genres. |
Oof. |
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