Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch
Just curious, what house/techno songs borrow stuff from folk and prog rock?
First of all, I never suggested that house or techno had these influences, only that trance did not.
Second of all, the influences are often deeply structural or inspirational. This means that you're not necessarily going to be able to listen to a track and hear the influence outright, but if you are familiar with the influencing genre, you will recognize certain traits or hallmarks that actually make techno and house what it is at its very core.
Anyway, house/techno actually does have a lot of influence from certain threads of progressive rock, probably not as much folk, but there are definitely albums out there that draw from folk. . They call it 'folktronica', and while it could probably be a genre unto itself, it crosses over with ambient techno, and a lot of its techniques, with the use of noise, instrumentation, effects, soundscaping have found there way into techno tracks.
Besides folk there are a lot of gospel and blues influences in house especially.
I'm at work right now so if you really want me to dig samples, it will have to wait until later.
However, prog rock has far more obvious influences on house/techno.
This is a remix of a 70s german prog rock classic:
The Orb were also very much influenced by the psychedelic and ambient inventions of prog rock
It was in prog rock that people really started to experiment with synthesizers like the Moog and others. Artists tended towards the dramatic and predated house and techno's sampling with the use of textural sounds to tell stories. The arrangements themselves tend to break the rigid chorus/verse structure of the song, like house and techno, in favor of the extended and repetitive variation on a theme. Progressive rock (along with dub and of course classical) paved the way for the electronic soundscape.
But other people would probably be more knowledgeable than me about the genre, because my experience with progressive rock is generally limited to 70s and 80s european stuff. (which was highly influential actually in the formation of techno music, since actually became well known and loved in detroit through the radio)
Another genre that really influenced house and techno was punk, which was really important to the development of electro in new york city (which was the basis for detroit techno), and also the acid house scene of the UK.
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Mr Game+Watch
Another house act that takes a lot of inspiration from punk and ska would be Basement Jaxx (at least, their older albums, I haven't listened to their newer stuff). And good call on the Orb having prog rock influences - they wear their Pink Floyd inspiration on their shoulder. Also, wasn't Kraftwerk pretty tight with the German prog/krautrock scene as well?
nefardec
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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch
Also, wasn't Kraftwerk pretty tight with the German prog/krautrock scene as well?
They were an essential part of it!
The funny thing about all this, though, is that since trance is essentially a spinoff sub-style of techno, it has similar deep influences - sven vath's early stuff has a lot in common with stuff like the remix of e2-e4 by sueno latino that i posted, not to mention tracks like 'stella' by jam & spoon.
But the explicit influences that could cause you to claim that when you listen to one genre of music it is like listening to many are just not there in contemporary progressive trance.
With the exception, of course, of a few watered down elements of other genres that seem more like marketing devices than musical ideas. (tiesto working with three six mafia, dime-a-dozen rip-offs of famous classical music melodies, an air guitar sample in the middle of a 5 minute breakdown, etc) If contemporary, 'department-store' trance borrows from any genres, I would say it borrows primarily from pop music.
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Wow. That kid is such a faggot.
Trance-MB
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Originally posted by nefardec
With the exception, of course, of a few watered down elements of other genres that seem more like marketing devices than musical ideas. (tiesto working with three six mafia, dime-a-dozen rip-offs of famous classical music melodies, an air guitar sample in the middle of a 5 minute breakdown, etc) If contemporary, 'department-store' trance borrows from any genres, I would say it borrows primarily from pop music.
Yeh, but I was talking about such elements and I'm sure those are the elements which make the difference.
How can you tell they use a sample which wasn't played with a real instrument for the track? Often even original tracks are used.
Talking about Tiesto, Kane is a rock band:
trance is one of those genres that suffers from extreme tunnel vision. what trancecrackers seem to forget (living under a rock, as they do) is that it rejects all black music. there's literally not a trace of it, not even the slightest flavour. it baffles me that someone would try to pass the "oh, it has so many influences" argument, all while being completely oblivious to the actual cross-pollination that occurs in the rest of dance music.
really, get your heads out of your arses. it's fine if you like trance, just be aware of the fact that it's completely disconnected from the zeitgeist, no serious journalist will go anywhere near it, and you look like a massive twat with those glowsticks.
Gen3r4l1ty
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Originally posted by distant
trance is one of those genres that suffers from extreme tunnel vision. what trancecrackers seem to forget (living under a rock, as they do) is that it rejects all black music. there's literally not a trace of it, not even the slightest flavour. it baffles me that someone would try to pass the "oh, it has so many influences" argument, all while being completely oblivious to the actual cross-pollination that occurs in the rest of dance music.
What qualifies as "black music?"
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pretty much everything other than polka, classical, and trance.
