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Ecological Disaster Gulf of Mexico (pg. 38)
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| .. WHERE IS THE REST! |
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| get nyce |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
.. WHERE IS THE REST! |
seriously, that part 1 was good
where's the rest i want to know more |
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| EddieZilker |
| He just edited with parts two and three - I think. |
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| get nyce |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
He just edited with parts two and three - I think. |
i dont see it |
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| LinX |
| quote: | Originally posted by get nyce
it's a FIRECANE! |
no its a ALIFIRECANE |
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| The17sss |
Incompetence, thy name is "Federal Government". Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen has been plastered on the tv doing damage control over the federal response. Interesting because.....
In 2002, Allen helped write a document presented at the "2002 International Oil Spill Conference" to develop new solutions to combat oil spills.
Of the major issues identified in case of an event in the Gulf of Mexico: waiving the Jones Act, allowing foreign assistance immediately (page 3).
Thad Allen was in charge of the entire region (page 2 of document), and developed the new Standard Operating Procedure to instantly waive the Jones Act following a major spill.
So in 2010, it took 71 days for Thad Allen to waive the Jones Act.... ignoring the Standard Operating Procedures put in place 8 yeas ago by.... THAD ALLEN. I love bueracracy.
http://www.iosc.org/papers/IOSC%202003%20a470.pdf |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| While the fed may or may not be incompetent, at least its real intentions are helpful (if democrats are in control). If you are somehow arguing that private business could be doing this better (which you are because you are a republican, even if you say you aren't thats a bold faced lie Kevin) then you are just as incompetent as anyone else you blame. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
While the fed may or may not be incompetent, at least its real intentions are helpful (if democrats are in control). If you are somehow arguing that private business could be doing this better (which you are because you are a republican, even if you say you aren't thats a bold faced lie Kevin) then you are just as incompetent as anyone else you blame. |
This +1
Plus, waiving that act would have been an admission on BP's behalf that things had gone horribly, horribly wrong - an image they have tried to avoid in spite of the fact that avoiding it made it look worse. The bottom line is that, in many ways, this disaster has been run the way Republicans would have run it if they were in charge. By that, I mean by leaving BP as a controlling partner in disaster relief efforts. Republicans probably wouldn't have closed down all drilling in the gulf but in many respects, this disaster is the result of Washington's close personal relationships with corporations.
Corporations who tend to be a little heavier in donating to the campaign purses of Republican law-makers. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
While the fed may or may not be incompetent, at least its real intentions are helpful (if democrats are in control). |
LOL... first of all, it's well established that they ARE incompetant. Secondly, your "either/or" statement is hilarious- Democrats have helpful intentions, Republicans do not. Even if that were true, good intentions do not and should not absolve someone of accountability for their incompetence. The real world runs on action and results, not intentions.
| quote: | | If you are somehow arguing that private business could be doing this better (which you are because you are a republican, even if you say you aren't thats a bold faced lie Kevin) then you are just as incompetent as anyone else you blame. |
Let's frame that the other way around: if you are arguing that our politicans and government officials with no real world business experience or expertise in disaster cleenup, mitigation, heavy machinery operations, etc. can do a better job than the people who actually do that for a living, than YOU are the incompetant one. Private businesses could do it... if the stranglehold of regulations would be lifted and they'd actually be allowed to. Case in point: BP wants to use Kevin Costner's centrifuge machines, but the EPA is resisting because they only leave the water 99% clean when EPA regulations demand 99.895% cleanliness for the water being spit from the machines back into the Gulf. And when did I say I wasn't a Republican? Obviously I am... but I don't vote for anyone just because they are. Dude you live in a fog. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
The bottom line is that, in many ways, this disaster has been run the way Republicans would have run it if they were in charge. By that, I mean by leaving BP as a controlling partner in disaster relief efforts. Republicans probably wouldn't have closed down all drilling in the gulf but in many respects, this disaster is the result of Washington's close personal relationships with corporations.
Corporations who tend to be a little heavier in donating to the campaign purses of Republican law-makers. |
The first paragraph is total speculation and has no bearing on the argument; Republicans aren't in office, end of story. You must not be aware that BP donated more to the Obama campaign than to any politician in the past 20 years, plus $500,000,000 to now Energy Secretary Stephen Chu's Univ. Cal's lab to fund the precursers to Cap and Trade legislation... which BP would profit from. Who's in who's pocket? The myth of Republicans garnering more money from corporations is just that... Obama raked in more from all the major banks and corporations than anyone, ever, in his campaign. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
The first paragraph is total speculation and has no bearing on the argument; Republicans aren't in office, end of story. |
I'll even concede that a lot of deregulation was performed during the Clinton years - that even Clinton, himself, signed into law. To say that the past has nothing to do with the present is at best, a lie, and at worst, foolhardy.
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
You must not be aware that BP donated more to the Obama campaign than to any politician in the past 20 years, plus $500,000,000 to now Energy Secretary Stephen Chu's Univ. Cal's lab to fund the precursers to Cap and Trade legislation... which BP would profit from. Who's in who's pocket? The myth of Republicans garnering more money from corporations is just that... Obama raked in more from all the major banks and corporations than anyone, ever, in his campaign. |
Actually, I am aware of that. But lets face it: Obama was going to win because the Bush administration was so amazingly incompetent. There was no amount of money that would ever have put McCain and Palin in the Whitehouse - particularly with their collective gaff level reaching epic proportions. If I were a corporation, looking out for my own interest, I certainly wouldn't be throwing my money in the direction of the losing team. |
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| get nyce |
more videos less debating
i need to see wtf is goin on down there not hear you guys bitch n moan at each other to see who is right or wrong
fact is situation is ed up, just start fixing and not covering it up...ing sad to see sand poured over tar balls on a beach |
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