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L.A. Coliseum imposing temporary ban on raves after girl's death from suspected drug (pg. 8)
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| henryv |
| quote: | Originally posted by GPC
Think they had different security for VIP area's. At least they were all wearing black suits and seemed to be a little more professional. |
Yup! |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Having said that, they will NEVER change the drinking age here. I just won't happen.
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Never is a veryyyy long time. |
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| Rukes |
I find it funny that they think the best way to get an opinion on the matter is to interview the competition. Yeah, that isn't biased at all.
My favorite quote:
"If you look at what we're putting in the park, they're not primarily rave artists. This isn't the category of Deadmau5," Valdez said, referring to a popular DJ-producer who was among the Electric Daisy Carnival headliners. "We have nothing against him, but we don't want to go to that level of programming because we feel it is a bad stigma."
Just about every HARD event so far had Deadmau5 playing there, usually as a headliner. So it's a bad stigma to have good production? Or is it just that the "crazy lights" = "people on drugs" |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by vxman
they should legalize drugs. we can raise taxes and shift the money to a good use. if we could increase the health of 10% of state, that would be really cool.
people are doing it anyway. since the use of drugs is widespread, loss to country would be similar. there would be more people experimenting, but more people will be discouraged too seeing how they are fkd up. i don't go to raves anymore. i just can't imagine breathing the air with 100K druggies.
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IMO, legalizing and regulating drugs (like alcohol) is the only option that makes sense long term. The decades-long drug war has been a complete failure as is evident at an event like EDC where 75%+ people are taking illegal drugs in the presence of police officers, and has cost the nation a ridiculous amount of time and money.
Regulate drugs --> safer drugs, more tax revenue, less drug-related crime, less gangs, less people in jail for drug-related offenses (less government expenditures), better studies on the long-term effects of drugs |
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| Brian Scott |
| quote: | Originally posted by Apeattack
IMO, legalizing and regulating drugs (like alcohol) is the only option that makes sense long term. The decades-long drug war has been a complete failure as is evident at an event like EDC where 75%+ people are taking illegal drugs in the presence of police officers, and has cost the nation a ridiculous amount of time and money.
Regulate drugs --> safer drugs, more tax revenue, less drug-related crime, less gangs, less people in jail for drug-related offenses (less government expenditures), better studies on the long-term effects of drugs |
I agree 100% |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sadface
Obviously its sad that a girl died but kids die all the time so its kind of pointless to get so worked up over this one in particular.
I was curious about this so I looked up the death rate for 15-25 year olds in the US. To save you the trouble it was 81.4 deaths per 100k in 2005. Given that EDC got 185k attendees (the overwhelming majority of whom are 15-25), statistically 150.59 of them would die at some point during the year, at a rate of .42 deaths/day, or .84 every 2 days. EDC had 1 death over 2 days, which is pretty much in line with the national average.
Simplistic analysis I know but I think its worth pointing out. |
As you said, the analysis isn't complete but it is interesting nonetheless. One could make the argument that since it is likely that so many people were taking more alcohol/drugs than usual it is amazing that only 1 person was killed, especially since there probably were many 'bad' pills out there and people mixing drugs. Perhaps medical personnel responded very quickly to potential life-threatening overdoses?
I imagine Insomniac is going to present an analysis similar to what you gave above and promise to do ID checks in the future, even though it is impossible to have an 16+ event with ID checks since so many 16-17 year olds do not have government issued IDs. |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by mimikish
plain and simple, that stupid girl had no place being there in the first place. |
Is it because she was under the official admission age (16) or because she was not an adult (18)?
If it is because the former, her being under 16 is bad for Insomniac (image-wise and possibly legally) but the 15/16 distinction isn't meaningful IMO. To me, her death would be the same whether she was 15 or 16. |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nerologic
A girl ing died, and it seems like no one cares. Are we that desensitized to death? |
Absolutely. When most TAs read the headline of this thread I imagine that they were MUCH more concerned about how this death would affect EDC and the entire EDM scene as a whole, not about how 'sad' and 'tragic' it was that someone died.
I imagine that a lot of people were quite upset at how someone who was not able to party 'safe' might mess up a great thing for everyone. |
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| chlola |
| quote: | Originally posted by Apeattack
Is it because she was under the official admission age (16) or because she was not an adult (18)?
If it is because the former, her being under 16 is bad for Insomniac (image-wise and possibly legally) but the 15/16 distinction isn't meaningful IMO. To me, her death would be the same whether she was 15 or 16. |
Maybe it's 'the scene' which is "stupid". |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by chlola
Maybe it's 'the scene' which is "stupid". |
Fair enough, but is any scene or event that involves a lot of alcohol consumption "stupid" as well? |
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| eyebegod |
| quote: | Originally posted by Apeattack
IMO, legalizing and regulating drugs (like alcohol) is the only option that makes sense long term. The decades-long drug war has been a complete failure as is evident at an event like EDC where 75%+ people are taking illegal drugs in the presence of police officers, and has cost the nation a ridiculous amount of time and money.
Regulate drugs --> safer drugs, more tax revenue, less drug-related crime, less gangs, less people in jail for drug-related offenses (less government expenditures), better studies on the long-term effects of drugs |
There is no way that legalization of the drug in question is good for the nation, the economy, business and anything else nonclubbing related. I have nothing against drugs, but there is a reason they are considered hard drugs. It's bad enough people in power can be drunk, I do not want them being all messed up thizzing or tripping.
Functioning people do not use hard drugs, and if they do, they are doing it responsibly and this matter isn't even in question.
Once again I'm not against drugs, but what I am saying is grow up, get a job, and learn some responsibility |
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| chlola |
| quote: | Originally posted by Apeattack
Fair enough, but is any scene or event that involves a lot of alcohol consumption "stupid" as well? |
If the end result is someone dying I would have to say yes.:) |
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