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L.A. Coliseum imposing temporary ban on raves after girl's death from suspected drug (pg. 9)
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by eyebegod
There is no way that legalization of the drug in question is good for the nation, the economy, business and anything else nonclubbing related. I have nothing against drugs, but there is a reason they are considered hard drugs. It's bad enough people in power can be drunk, I do not want them being all messed up thizzing or tripping.
Functioning people do not use hard drugs, and if they do, they are doing it responsibly and this matter isn't even in question.
Once again I'm not against drugs, but what I am saying is grow up, get a job, and learn some responsibility |
It almost sounds like you want to make alcohol illegal.
There are a lot of non-function alcoholics out there and functional "hard" drug users. |
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| chlola |
re: Grace Rodriquez
Tragic passing of her daughter Sasha Rodriquez just 15 years old!
Fundraiser has been set up at Wells Fargo 8608393271or thru
PayPal:[email protected] Bake Sale7/3 from 10-3 at Allesandro
Elementary 2210 Riverside Drive LosAngeles, Ca 90039 |
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| in2muzikk |
R.I.P. Sasha |
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| chlola |
David Hopperon EDC and the news::::
Woodstock 1969
Deaths: 3
Hospital visits: 6000
40 years later: considered to be the most amazing experience of a generation by the geezers now in charge |
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| eyebegod |
| quote: | Originally posted by Apeattack
It almost sounds like you want to make alcohol illegal.
There are a lot of non-function alcoholics out there and functional "hard" drug users. |
Once again, the people who are functional/responsible don't care about this whole discussion because they aren't dead |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by eyebegod
Once again, the people who are functional/responsible don't care about this whole discussion because they aren't dead |
I know plenty of people who are functional/responsible but care a lot about the legality of alcohol and drugs because it directly impacts them and their friends.
Historically, making any drug illegal leads to...
(1) Increased crime - Selling and consuming the drug is now deemed 'illegal' by the state turning millions into criminals overnight. Gangs and crime syndicates naturally form to meet demand. The financial and social cost of drug-related crime on society is enormous and often under-appreciated. Look at Chicago during the 1920s or Mexico today.
(2) A shifting of revenue from government coffers to drug-related gangs and incarcerating people who are now "criminals." Imagine what good could be done if money is taken from expenses related to the war on drugs and shifted to education and rehab centers.
(3) An increase in the number of people who are injured using a tainted form of the drug. Many people are injured by drugs cut with someone harmful.
(4) Stigmatization of people who are using the drug, making it near impossible to do decent scientific studies on the long-term effects on the human body. Good knowledge about the drug is harder to come by.
These outcomes naturally arise from making anything illegal, whether it be alcohol during Prohibition or pot/cocaine/ecstasy/etc. now. |
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| clubamerica |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
this. On the news last night they said "180,000 people attended in all and 100 people were taken to hospital, Authorities are looking in to banning such dangerous events"
Are you ing kidding me?
180,000 people and only 100 go to hospital and one (sadly) dies?
Those ratios are outstanding for any public event let alone a major Rave.
I've been to clubs that only hold 2000 and seen several dozen go to hospital per night.
I can't think of any public event where 180,000 people would go any you wouldn't expect at least 50 hospitalization just from accidents.
All propaganda by conservatives. They should look at the figures for Oktoberfest......
In the UK in the late 90's there was a concerted and srtuctured effort by the alcohol companies to get raves and clubs closed banned. And they used like this (google "Leah Betts") and it worked. |
1 dies???? are u you fuking kidding me?? tell this to the parents. i bet u wouldnt feel the same if it were 1 of your family/friends.
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| trancension |
I think the point is, that the fatality rate for other activities is much higher.
Death rate for alcohol related driving?
Death rate for driving period?
Obesity related deaths?
Gun violence?
Cancer (smoking)?
You can't go banning cars because some people are bad drivers. You can't go banning McDonalds because some people don't know when they've eaten too much. We obviously haven't banned cigarettes despite the obvious health issues. And you can't ban EDM Events because some people don't know how to act at them.
Sasha's death is a serious issue, but people need to know all the facts and they need to stop giving our scene a bad name. Our music isn't to blame. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by clubamerica
1 dies???? are u you fuking kidding me?? tell this to the parents. i bet u wouldnt feel the same if it were 1 of your family/friends.
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Read again: "1 (sadly) dies".
It's a tragedy, without question but (1) why did her parent allow her to go to rave that she should not have been at? and 2: If you gather 180,000 people anywhere at a public event, chances are you will have at one serious/critical injury or fatality (just simple statistics).
Don't blame the event itself, like it killed her. She may well have killed herself by overdosing on a recreational drug. Yes, the event seems to have been badly managed but the event alone is not to blame.
And yes, I have had friends who overdosed and died.
Anyway, this aside we don't truly know what happened, all the facts aren't in so there's no point guessing about the cause and the fault.
I'll just leave it as it's very sad that she died, regardless of how or where. |
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| chlola |
When I was 15, I never even thought of drinking....
Is this a sign of the times?
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R.I.P. Sasha
<3 <3 <3 |
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| element-y |
Sorry for a sory/rant but here it goes. if you think i deserve a cookie for this id be glad to take it. chocolate chip please.
~Again i come to the point i made earlier - does insomniac or any edm event for that matter make it a requirement of entry to do any drug? I see edm as any other music genre. I listened to edm since i was 8 because of family relatives who would always listen to it. I never idolized a rock band, a rapper, a pop singer/group as a preteen and young teen. It was always djs and producers for me. I never understood why i had to be 18 or 21 to see the people who made the music i like but others who like other genres had no problem going to an arena to see a show. When I was 12 I had the chance to go to Israel and my parents let me go to a beach festival that had Infected Mushroom, Yahel, and a few others. This was my first edm event - and i was pretty damn stoked. It was all ages and a free show. I went in, did not do any drugs, and did not drink. I enjoyed the music from producers I listened too and had a blast. Since then I was heavily in the scene from an early age at raves. Yet i never touched a single drug. To me this story and the countless of others like this really bother me. Are the parents to blame for allowing kids to go? Is the event to blame for allowing all ages for some events? No. It DOES come down to the individual and the individual only. My parents trusted me and i never had to lie and say i was going to a friend when instead i went to a rave. I was never a candy kid or what not, but that doesnt matter either. Point is, the individual decides what to do once at the event. its sad when such events happen, but in truth, perhaps the individual couldnt turn down the drugs, perhaps the parents didnt do a great job telling their kids about drugs, perhaps the education system needs to do a better job educating on drugs, etc. Pointing fingers can be an endless cycle. In the end it always ends up in the individuals decision. I really hope regulation does not tighten in this state and the country for the matter. decisions should come and remain in the hands of individuals. |
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| bigperf |
| quote: | Originally posted by chlola
re: Grace Rodriquez
Tragic passing of her daughter Sasha Rodriquez just 15 years old!
Fundraiser has been set up at Wells Fargo 8608393271or thru
PayPal:[email protected] Bake Sale7/3 from 10-3 at Allesandro
Elementary 2210 Riverside Drive LosAngeles, Ca 90039 |
not to sounds like an ass, but perhaps picking up a life insurance policy rather than a $100 ticket to a "rave" should be a higher priority...
insomniac could get some nice positive PR if they stepped up and made a donation, good little tax break for them too. |
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