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Feminism (pg. 13)
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| ModernNosferatu |
Men are visual creatures. Woman are not dumb but they are the most gorgeous thing in a straight mans eyes. Treat them with respect when they deserve it, make an effort to please them in bed because women love to be desired physically (generally) and these days non feminist women are just as equals with men on intelligence if you're lucky to find one, so when you do threat them like they are when you are with one that is intelligent as you are. Take control time to time and let her know you are the man and they like that as long as it's not a non stop ego gig you're on. Let them be emotional at time because don't you love to spoil a good woman. But also help her to be stronger if she isn't already.
I see this as a recipe.
I'm getting drunk and took some xanax so I don't even think I know what this thread is about since I didn't read a single post and just went on and on...the reason for no misspelled words is because I had to use spell check. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
And AGAIN, putting words in my mouth. Did I say you're horrible? Sinful and nasty, based on your life choices? Go ahead and just make up whatever you want about my thoughts about you, and the reasons why I have them. |
Here's a quick recap
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Why the hostility to that comment? Women have become so "career" oriented that many have lost their femininity, trying to out-do men or basically become them, psychologically speaking. An argument can be made that this has affected the nuclear family. I'm all for empowerment, but some women lose their identity as "a woman" when they push too hard. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Cite some examples or keep walking. |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
you are obviously a prime example. |
No examples
No substantiation
Nothing but endless on and on about your opinion.
If you cracked open some examples of people that are bolded I'd listen. But nope, none of that. Just the good old 'I am the prime example' of all those things and yet, you know NOTHING about me. But apparently I've lost all my dignity and identity for a career for achieving a large figure income.
What on earth did you actually expect?
"gee thanks Mr Carolina, I know my place now as a little half-coloured girl originally from Africa, all right good and proper now because you just said so."
That, isn't going to happen, except possibly in the wildest of PKC's dreams. :nervous:
No, the sad reality for you, is that unless you put something in a debate without foundation, it really is just your opinion and not an actual, substantiated FACT which is what I was haranguing you about. The Fact is, that I am none of those things.
But now, I'm also quite bored senseless with the semantics and nothing of substance.
| quote: | | Edit: Let me ask you... and you don't have to answer... but are you in a serious relationship? Married? If not, as a high powered business woman, are you satisfied in your personal life outside of work? |
Give you a few more personal rounds to sling in my direction?
Sorry that would be a no, because I really am quite done. |
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| st3nc |
is this ANOTHER arts vs science thread??
...tisk tisk ladies...
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Here's a quick recap
No examples
No substantiation
Nothing but endless on and on about your opinion.
If you cracked open some examples of people that are bolded I'd listen. But nope, none of that. Just the good old 'I am the prime example' of all those things and yet, you know NOTHING about me. But apparently I've lost all my dignity and identity for a career for achieving a large figure income. |
You conveniently left out the fact that I said several times that I wasn't talking specifically about you, and that I could also say the same thing regarding men. You're all about the straw men and cherry picking today. Saying "you are obviously a prime example" was done to illustrate how ridiculous you sounded in saying all bossy to me, "cite some examples or keep walking" when I mentioned a particular type of woman, not even speaking directly to you! Why the hell would I have to cite an example? A) Everyone knows women like I described exist... B) You wouldn't even know the women I would cite, so what's the damn point? How about YOU explain to me how I'm wrong, rather than me provide you with arbitrary names of people you don't know. But if it makes you happy, I'll cite some: Sharon Wolf of DKI. Liza Hopkins of Duvall Investments. Chelsea Cooper of AstraZeneca. Do you feel better? Are you going to call me a liar? I'm still waiting for you to tell me how I'm wrong, and why the type of woman I described does not exist.
| quote: | What on earth did you actually expect?
"gee thanks Mr Carolina, I know my place now as a little half-coloured girl originally from Africa, all right good and proper now because you just said so." |
You only marginalize yourself when you inject race into the subject matter. Grow up. You did the same thing in the healthcare debate when you said this bull:
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Its called priorities.
You look after your own, before you look after anyone else and yes, if you've got some money spare after things are ok at home, by all means go shoot up some brown people for their oil. |
pathetic.
| quote: | | No, the sad reality for you, is that unless you put something in a debate without foundation, it really is just your opinion and not an actual, substantiated FACT which is what I was haranguing you about. The Fact is, that I am none of those things. |
No, it is a fact; there are women who overcompensate in their career lives who, as a result, can't balance it with a successful personal life.
| quote: | | Give you a few more personal rounds to sling in my direction? Sorry that would be a no, because I really am quite done. |
The longer this goes on, I'm beginning to wonder if you are so incensed because I may really, unintentionally, be describing you and you can't stand it. ;) |
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| st3nc |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
pathetic.
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there is no such thing as this you have never met me |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Actually, by very definition, all of those things fall under the scope of feminism - as feminism is a movement that has to do with the politics of power and marginality. It's not just about women's rights. ;) |
This is very true, but a lot of people automatically associate 'feminism' solely to women's rights, regardless of whether that's the true definition or not.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I back this. Equal rights movements for minorities don't encounter as much resistance because they apply to minorities and thus require society to change less of its behaviour less of the time. But women are not a minority, and so feminism attacks and criticises society's attitude to half of everyone in the world.
What's more, feminism is possibly the only equal rights movement frequently criticised by the people it's fighting for. It's not just men who don't like being told they're patriarchal and oppressive and must change. A lot of women don't like being told they're inferior and they should fight for equality. Being treated as an inferior is like being treated as a child: you may not be able to do everything you want, but the people who care about you look after you. That's a comfortable position for many people to be in. They would rather live in the comfort of limited slavery than have to fight as equals.
Aside from that, I also think feminism has done a spectacularly bad job at winning over neutrals. True feminism tends be very academic and thoughtful: even the most important feminist works such as The Second Sex or The Female Eunuch* are not the kind of reading the masses can get behind. Most people are anti-intellectual at the best of times, and when it's a woman activating those insecurities they're even more likely to be hostile and unreceptive. There has never really been a good translation of these big ideas into simple concepts the masses can digest, and so most of the people who criticise feminism have no real understanding of what it's trying to say.
*I should also add that these are some of the most populist femininist texts. Feminist writers like Hélène Cixous have absolutely no chance. |
Although I don't necessarily agree with you 100% on this, I think it is one of the most logical responses here, and I think it really gets down to the crux of things, at least more so than a lot of the other arguments I have read/heard.
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
women only want equal rights when it benefits them |
I think this may be true for a VERY small margin of women, and it's usually pertaining to a very specific set of things.
It seems, based on most of the responses, people take issue with specific types of feminism, or particular behaviours that some feminists have. Essentially, there is a negative connotation associated to the entire construct because of some bad apples. Like I said in my original post, similar to Islam, both are labeled 'bad' because there is a group under the larger umbrella that exhibits/practices behaviour that isn't liked.
Ignoring the extreme feminists or whichever ones you dislike, when you look at the bones of what feminism is, is it really that objectionable? Advocating for equality, in this case for women, is a good thing, is it not? |
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| Fledz |
Theresa, you fail to grasp the concept that just because a woman wants equality, that doesn't mean she's a feminist. You seem to think 99.9% of women are feminists because that's the ideology that's right.
That may have originally been the point, but it isn't any more. |
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| bananas |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Because feminists are whinging bitches. |
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| mauriceparis |
Bonjour,
Je suis sure que ce lien vous sera util.
J'ai trouve ce lien ou on peut vite trouver tout en France, par ce que il est tres
bien trie par themes et regiones.
http://compas-france.eu
Cordialement , Maurice Perreira |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by mauriceparis
Bonjour |
Bonjour! |
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| NoError |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Because feminists are whinging bitches. |
Is there any chance I could read your thesis? |
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| mauriceparis |
| I support the feminisme |
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