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the Wikileaks/ Cablegate scandal (pg. 2)
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
I disagree. I believe the people have the right to know the that goes on behind the scenes. If anything these leaks will expose the true color our leaders and will make the people questioning their true motives. I say we need more and more organizations like Wikileaks out there. |
Agreed...
People have forgotten what true democracy is. We hire these people with our votes and we pay their salaries with our tax dollars. Why shouldn't we be able to see what they're doing on the job and why shouldn't they be accountable for their actions? Why should it be a mystery?
If you had an employee working for you you have the right to see how they're doing their job and what their actions are. Somewhere along the line people forgot these politicians are supposed to be working for us and that we have a right to read this stuff. |
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| jon jon |
| of course I'm all for gov't transparency, but w/ regards to security/ nat'l defense some information needs to be protected... no? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
People have forgotten what true democracy is. We hire these people with our votes and we pay their salaries with our tax dollars. Why shouldn't we be able to see what they're doing on the job and why shouldn't they be accountable for their actions? Why should it be a mystery? |
So military espionage should be legalized, then? If instead of, say, broadcasting information such as troop movements, they were feeding it directly to Al-Qaeda or the government of some at-war foreign nation, would that be OK with you?
What the hell is a "true" democracy, anyway? Democracy means that the executive and usually legislative branches of government are elected by a majority vote. That's it. I'm sure you all really mean something like "liberalism" or "constitutional rights" but then again, when you start throwing around words like that, people expect you to actually know what you're talking about.
Chrissakes, it's not even the government that's behind this. Did any of you recent "contributors" actually read the statement from Amazon? |
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| Orko |
I'm all for this. The US says, this is an attack on them and its allies. you. You said, and did some dumb , and don't want anybody to know about it. "It may put people's lives in danger". you. You already killed way more people than you willing to admit, and just don't want anybody to know about it.
I love how they are trying to stop the truth from getting out. I understand the manner in which it has been done may not be the most favourable, but without this, the truth was NOT getting out.
If this is what is needed, I support this type of action.
If the truth is so dangerous, then you need to clean up your act. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
of course I'm all for gov't transparency, but w/ regards to security/ nat'l defense some information needs to be protected... no? |
the thing is that the most recent wikileaks "dump" really had nothing to do with national security. it was just gossip between diplomats about how hot one guys assistant was vs another one. or how one guys smells bad and stupid like that.
IMO, the previous big dump with the war wires was much more significant.
it is very interesting tho, that the powers of the internet haxxors have been non-stop attacking the wikileaks site and destroying it for the last week, where the where they before? |
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
the thing is that the most recent wikileaks "dump" really had nothing to do with national security. it was just gossip between diplomats about how hot one guys assistant was vs another one. or how one guys smells bad and stupid like that.
IMO, the previous big dump with the war wires was much more significant.
it is very interesting tho, that the powers of the internet haxxors have been non-stop attacking the wikileaks site and destroying it for the last week, where the where they before? |
I am going to laugh, when people behind the hacking / DDoS get caught and land up in prison, that be bloody ironic. That probably wont happen, seeing the US probably would protect the hackers, for doing the Governments dirty work.
Wikileaks vs the Government is the new version of David vs. Goliath. We all know Goliath went down.
Wikileaks new "safe" haven
Funny thing is... the only way they can stop the spread of wikileaks is shutting down the whole entire thing (i.e the internet) Doesn't matter if they shutdown one server or two, more will just keep popping up. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
I love how they are trying to stop the truth from getting out. |
can you tell me exactly what truth was revealed from the most recent cable leak? what was so amazingily brutal that got out. how did it help? |
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| GGM |
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”
Thomas Jefferson
All I'm saying is that on a big picture scale, things such as Wikileaks existing brings us 1 step closer to the latter.
Government influences the media, media tells us Wikileaks is compromising national security, putting lives in danger blah blah blah then people come recycle what they heard on CNN over here.
For anyone who's been following Wikileaks for longer than this release I'm sure they've heard this many times over. I heard it when the Iraq docs were being leaked, the Afghan docs, and now again. Yet I've never heard of one incident where it actually compromised or damaged anything. Truth be told is people don't want people watching them on the job and Wikileaks is compromising THAT and that only. |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
can you tell me exactly what truth was revealed from the most recent cable leak? |
I don't know about "most recent" but there has been a ton of information leaked pertaining to nuclear arms (Pakistan in particular), the war in Afghanistan, + a ton of pertaining to national diplomacy... There is definitely weight to the information |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
I'm all for this. The US says, this is an attack on them and its allies. you. You said, and did some dumb , and don't want anybody to know about it. "It may put people's lives in danger". you. You already killed way more people than you willing to admit, and just don't want anybody to know about it.
I love how they are trying to stop the truth from getting out. I understand the manner in which it has been done may not be the most favourable, but without this, the truth was NOT getting out.
If this is what is needed, I support this type of action.
If the truth is so dangerous, then you need to clean up your act. |
Right on. The US is playing games here yet again. Trying to make this to be a "threat against the country" etc etc. I dont think people are going to fall for the fear tactics this time around. |
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| hardcore trancer |
Good to see them up and running again.:) |
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