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the Wikileaks/ Cablegate scandal (pg. 5)
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Special K
Lol at "democracy" and "freedom of speech" at work. Christ.
America YEAAAAAAA
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What a joke.
I am hopeful that that all of the files get released. Especially the dirt on the banking sector and dick cheney. Crooks, the lot of them.
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Yep. I mean I work for a bank but at least our banks weren't as retarded as the ones in the states giving crazy loans and our version of wallstreet probably isn't as bad as the US version.
Apparently there are some cables about UFOs, finally the conspiracy theorists out there will get something. |
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
Yep. I mean I work for a bank but at least our banks weren't as retarded as the ones in the states giving crazy loans and our version of wallstreet probably isn't as bad as the US version.
Apparently there are some cables about UFOs, finally the conspiracy theorists out there will get something. |
We're lucky that we have a regulated banking system.
I just wish we could go back to the gold/silver monetized system. God I hate inflation!
Less = More (before)
More = Less (us now) |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
Reading some comments on there is just hilarious. One guy is like, if some dies because of this... Assange should be tried for murder :haha: If thats so. Guess everyone that works for the State Department, the White House and others since Bush and Obama were in power should be charged with murder also. I guess when its state sanctioned its fine, but when the dirty laundry gets out by a different source its illegal. Hypocrisy at its best.
USA moto "do as we say, not as we do"
Ron Paul for President! |
This is my fav:
Republican and libertarian Congressman Ron Paul, as usual, differs from his party.
"Representative Ron Paul said Friday that Wikileaks founder Julian Assange should not face prosecution for his distribution of nearly 250,000 classified and Top Secret documents.
Mr. Paul came to the defense of Mr. Assange after Attorney General Eric Holder said the Justice Department was studying whether to charge Assange with a crime for releasing thousands of leaked government documents.
Mr. Paul told Fox News that the notion of prosecuting Mr. Assange for the release of information is disturbing and it should not be pursued.
“In a free society we’re supposed to know the truth,” Mr. Paul said. “In a society where truth becomes treason, then we’re in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it.”"
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Also click this, great op ed |
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| Magnetonium |
I've been supporting Wikileaks for some time now, but ... Wikileaks have gone too far now. Here's definitely a document that should not have been leaked. It serves of no purpose to the general public, but can be used by the enemies of United States as targets. The press and government establishment is gonna have a field day with this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11923766
List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked
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A long list of key facilities around the world that the US describes as vital to its national security has been released by Wikileaks.
The US State Department in February 2009 asked all US missions abroad to list all installations whose loss could critically affect US national security.
The list includes pipelines, communication and transport hubs.
Several UK sites are listed, including cable locations, satellite sites and BAE Systems plants.
This is probably the most controversial document yet from the Wikileaks organisation.
The definition of US national security revealed by the cable is broad and all embracing.
In addition to obvious pieces of strategic infrastructure like communications hubs, gas pipelines and so on, it contains, amongst other things, a cobalt mine in Congo, an anti-snake venom factory in Australia and an insulin plant in Denmark.
The US missions were asked to list all installations whose loss could critically impact the public health, economic security or national security of the United States.
In Britain, for example, the list ranges from Cornwall to Scotland, including key satellite communications sites and the places where trans-Atlantic cables make landfall.
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What the list might do is to prompt potential attackers to look at a broader range of targets”
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A number of BAE Systems plants involved in joint weapons programmes with the Americans are listed, along with a marine engineering firm in Edinburgh which is said to be "critical" for nuclear powered submarines.
'Targets for terror'
The geographical range of the document is extraordinary.
If the US sees itself as waging a "global war on terror" then this represents a global directory of the key installations and facilities - many of them medical or industrial - that are seen as being of vital importance to Washington.
No wonder then that the Times newspaper in London has published the story under the headline "Wikileaks lists 'targets for terror' against the US".
Some locations are given unique billing. The Nadym gas pipeline junction in western Siberia, for example, is described as "the most critical gas facility in the world".
It is a crucial transit point for Russian gas heading for western Europe.
In some cases, specific pharmaceutical plants or those making blood products are highlighted for their crucial importance to the global supply chain.
Of course the critical question is that raised by the Times newspaper's headline: Is this really a listing of potential targets that might be of use to a terrorist?
The cable contains a simple listing. In many cases towns are noted as the location but not actual street addresses.
That, of course, is not going to hinder anyone with access to the internet.
There are also no details of security measures at any of the listed sites.
What the list might do is to prompt potential attackers to look at a broader range of targets, especially given that the US authorities classify them as being so important.
It is not perhaps a major security breach, but many governments may see it as an unhelpful development.
It inevitably prompts the question as to exactly what positive benefit Wikileaks was intending in releasing this document.
Former UK Foreign Secretary Malcolm Rifkind condemned the move.
"This is further evidence that they have been generally irresponsible, bordering on criminal," Mr Rifkind said. "This is the kind of information terrorists are interested in knowing."
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| jester |
| quote: | Canada:
Hibernia Atlantic undersea cable landing Halifax , Nova Scotia, Canada James Bay Power Project, Quebec: monumental hydroelectric power development Mica Dam, British Columbia: Failure would impact the Columbia River Basin. Hydro Quebec, Quebec: Critical irreplaceable source of power to portions of Northeast U. S. Robert Moses/Robert H. Saunders Power, Ontario: Part of the St. Lawrence Power Project, between Barnhart Island, New York, and Cornwall, Ontario Seven Mile Dam, British Columbia: Concrete gravity dam between two other hydropower dams along the Pend d'Oreille River Pickering Nuclear Power Plant, Ontario, Canada Chalk River Nuclear Facility, Ontario: Largest supplier of medical radioisotopes in the world Hydrofluoric Acid Production Facility, Allied Signal, Amherstburg, Ontario Enbridge Pipeline Alliance Pipeline: Natural gas transmission from Canada Maritime and Northeast Pipeline: Natural gas transmission from Canada Transcanada Gas: Natural gas transmission from Canada Alexandria Bay POE, Ontario: Northern border crossing Ambassador Bridge POE, Ontario: Northern border crossing Blaine POE, British Columbia: Northern border crossing Blaine Washington Rail Crossing, British Columbia Blue Water Bridge POE, Ontario: Northern border crossing Champlain POE, Quebec: Northern border crossing CPR Tunnel Rail Crossing, Ontario (Michigan Central Rail Crossing) International Bridge Rail Crossing, Ontario International Railway Bridge Rail Crossing Lewiston-Queenstown POE, Ontario: Northern border crossing Peace Bridge POE, Ontario: Northern border crossing Pembina POE, Manitoba: Northern border crossing North Portal Rail Crossing, Saskatchewan St. Claire Tunnel Rail Crossing, Ontario Waneta Dam, British Columbia: Earthfill/concrete hydropower dam Darlington Nuclear Power Plant, Ontario, Canada. E-ONE Moli Energy, Maple Ridge, Canada: Critical to production of various military application electronics General Dynamics Land Systems - Canada, London Ontario, Canada: Critical to the production of the Stryker/USMC LAV Vehicle Integration Raytheon Systems Canada Ltd. ELCAN Optical Technologies Division, Midland, Ontario, Canada: Critical to the production of the AGM-130 Missile Thales Optronique Canada, Inc., Montreal, Quebec: Critical optical systems for ground combat vehicles Germanium Mine Graphite Mine Iron Ore Mine Nickel Mine Niobec Mine, Quebec, Canada: Niobium Cangene, Winnipeg, Manitoba: Plasma Sanofi Pasteur Ltd., Toronto, Canada: Polio virus vaccine GlaxoSmithKile Biologicals, North America, Quebec, Canada: Pre-pandemic influenza vaccines |
List of vital Canadian spots. |
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| exraver |
Among the cables released Sunday was a list of critical infrastructure sites outside the United States that the Americans regard as vital to their interests. The list was compiled quietly by embassy workers for the Department of Homeland Security without notifying officials in host countries, including Canada.
The fairly obvious list of Canadians sites, includes the Pickering Nuclear Power Plant; the Chalk River Nuclear Facility (supplier of 30 per cent of the world's medical radioisotopes); and various border crossings and hydropower dams; and GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Toronto (polio virus vaccine).
I always knew Canada was 51st state, but this is ... WTF? |
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| Magnetonium |
Wikileaks have failed. Instead of going through all information and releasing the important "whistle-blower" kind of information, they are instead releasing everything, a bit at a time.
Not much sympathy for them from me now, they are digging their own grave. What's worse is that Wikileaks have permanently damaged the future public perception of whistle-blower websites, and governments will be tightening the noose on their data.
Assange needs to get a grip ... I know he's desperate now, but that doesn't mean he should just send all the secret files to everyone in case the feds shut down the servers. He needs to bear responsibility for his actions.
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| jon jon |
| this thing is getting bigger by the day... those last leaks make me feel uneasy... |
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by exraver
Among the cables released Sunday was a list of critical infrastructure sites outside the United States that the Americans regard as vital to their interests. The list was compiled quietly by embassy workers for the Department of Homeland Security without notifying officials in host countries, including Canada.
The fairly obvious list of Canadians sites, includes the Pickering Nuclear Power Plant; the Chalk River Nuclear Facility (supplier of 30 per cent of the world's medical radioisotopes); and various border crossings and hydropower dams; and GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Toronto (polio virus vaccine).
I always knew Canada was 51st state, but this is ... WTF? |
It seems the Hydro Quebec video on youtube about their ty security has been removed. Some news reporter a few years back was able to gain access to one of the dams and walk around and film the generators and what not. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
this thing is getting bigger by the day... those last leaks make me feel uneasy... |
Yep. At first I thought: Great, REAL transparency!! YES.
But when releases are made like this, uh oh. |
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
Yep. At first I thought: Great, REAL transparency!! YES.
But when releases are made like this, uh oh. |
Our tax dollars will be hard at work safe guarding these sites now (thats what I for see) |
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| jon jon |
| neither #wikileaks or #cablegate are trending on Twitter anymore... ya right ! conspiracy!!! |
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