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When will the obsession with "analog" stop? (pg. 11)
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| Mad for Brad |
| So is this Floyd or Fledz ? I love games. Or Palm. But palm is never this mean. |
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| Twilothunder23 |
| The second rule of fightclub is you do not. talk. about. hash-browns. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
Exactly, Bob's is your uncle, guess none of you actually played a real Voyager. :D
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Erm, I have. Several hundred of them to be exact. In fact I'm one of maybe half a dozen people who is qualified to service them. I actually built/tested the first few hundred serials of both the normal voyager and signature series while working for the retailer that launched them.
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
VSTi 's are valid in thier own right, but there at mimicing analoque gear..... |
Not quite, that quote is straight from Bob Moog that he told me himself. He said there is no difference. They sound the same (all things being equal like a good enough output stage like a good DAC etc).
Sorry, but I'll take the creators word over anyone else's.
And as far as I'm aware this thread is about Mad for Brad. Most threads are.
And no it's not fledz or floyd.
It's existo22 (and by the way mr. 22 if you haven^t figured it out yet, throwing gay insults at M4B only makes the thread more hilarious. Oh the irony.
Erm, |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
Does my incredible gift at music make you feel uncomfortable or are you having a hard time with my rather stunning handsome looks. Do you like hashbrowns ? |
:haha: i in love this guy |
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| Twilothunder23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
And as far as I'm aware this thread is about  for Brad. Most threads are.
And no it's not fledz or floyd.
It's existo22 (and by the way mr. 22 if you haven^t figured it out yet, throwing gay insults at 4B only makes the thread more hilarious. |
3rd rule of fightclub mod gets pissed yells stop the thread is over. :sadgreen: |
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| Twilothunder23 |
| quote: | Erm, I have. Several hundred of them to be exact. In fact I'm one of maybe half a dozen people who is qualified to service them. I actually built/tested the first few hundred serials of both the normal voyager and signature series while working for the retailer that launched them.
Not quite, that quote is straight from Bob Moog that he told me himself. He said there is no difference. They sound the same (all things being equal like a good enough output stage like a good DAC etc).
Sorry, but I'll take the creators word over anyone else's. |
Fourth rule of fight-club only one topic to a thread please. And on that note the arturia waste of money crap sounds about as analog to me as a dx7. it's so analog I would rather use the build in reason synths. Those are a bit more analog. ;) |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Twilothunder23
Fourth rule of fight-club only one topic to a thread please. And on that note the arturia waste of money crap sounds about as analog to me as a dx7. it's so analog I would rather use the build in reason synths. Those are a bit more analog. ;) |
Your loss. The arturia are damn good, especially when consider a voyager costs more then 10 times what the software does. On the high extremes (i.e. lowest notes, wide open filters) you can hear the difference, but bear in mind the minimoog v is not a voyager clone so regardless it's going to sound different as it's a different synth.
have they captured the moog sound? yes, but If you want a voyager clone the the minimonsta is probably closer.
Anyway, the laughable thin is 99% of people would not contest a arturia or Gforce patch played through a pristine signal chain if they were told it came from a moog. so much bull out there. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
it was meant to be an analogy but the world is not analog therefor it must be some quantized approximation. That is something you cannot argue. Well . |
Fixed.
Quantum physics states that most phenomena take on quantised values. but that doesn't mean that the world is digital either. Quantisation certainly doesn't imply that the universe is digital, since even quantised values can have more than two values.
Further, the fact that some physical properties are quantised is sort of irrelevant to the fact that the world is mostly analogue, the position that a particle occupies in space is NOT quantised as far as I'm aware, and its the movement of particles which is relevant to hearing.
Also, this entire discussion is a complete and total wank, and hardly anyone here seems to have payed attention in high school physics. Fail.
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
not to downplay his legacy but Bob isn't really at an age where he can make audio comparisons. I mean his hearing must be down to like 8 kHz. But I do agree with you. |
Considering he's dead and all, I don't think he'd be very accurate...
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I'm going with Bob Moog on this one: "the Aruria VST version of my (voyager) synth sounds indentical". |
Yeah, I tend to agree with this, there are a lot of bad digital synths, but when they're done properly they're brilliant. Arturia is a good example of how to do it right, and anyone who denies that those synths are awesome really needs to get their hearing checked. |
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| ken_lee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
So is this Floyd or Fledz ? I love games. Or Palm. But palm is never this mean. |
that alt is existo, banned every second week. same person as spammed the whole forum with his/hers CLICK4MOREVINYL ebay . Let Sushipunk see this thread and she/he is banned immediately. Existos a moron and a troll, with personal grudge against everyone on TA, because she/he cant manage to fit in. |
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| Fledz |
| lol, if there's one thing I don't do it's make alts. As tempting as it is on certain occasions :gsmile: |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Fixed.
Quantum physics states that most phenomena take on quantised values. but that doesn't mean that the world is digital either. Quantisation certainly doesn't imply that the universe is digital, since even quantised values can have more than two values.
Further, the fact that some physical properties are quantised is sort of irrelevant to the fact that the world is mostly analogue, the position that a particle occupies in space is NOT quantised as far as I'm aware, and its the movement of particles which is relevant to hearing.
Also, this entire discussion is a complete and total wank, and hardly anyone here seems to have payed attention in high school physics. Fail.
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I only ever made the analogy between quantization and our perception of the world. We do not perceive the world in any manner via an analog representation. There are all kind of node points and gaps and it is really a best guess from the limited information we take in. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Fixed.
Quantum physics states that most phenomena take on quantised values. but that doesn't mean that the world is digital either. Quantisation certainly doesn't imply that the universe is digital, since even quantised values can have more than two values.
Further, the fact that some physical properties are quantised is sort of irrelevant to the fact that the world is mostly analogue, the position that a particle occupies in space is NOT quantised as far as I'm aware, and its the movement of particles which is relevant to hearing.
Also, this entire discussion is a complete and total wank, and hardly anyone here seems to have payed attention in high school physics. Fail.
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Energy is transfered between particles using fixed quanta just like digital 0's and 1's. Just because you can have differnet outputs of total energy transferance does not mean that each quanta varies.
Energy is a conserved quantity and as everything, absolutely everything occurs at the quantum level when you boil down any action in the Universe, then in this sense the transference of packets of energy are in defined bite sized digital chunks.
For a sound wave to occur energy MUST be transfered from one entity to another.
Ok I'm stretching the point but this is because I always want to go right to the very route of any occurance inj nature, and not be strapped into the 'mere' reality us large slow beings can percieve. Nature is not interested in how we as large slow beings in a classical world sense nature, oh no, nature just is what it is regardless of our clumsy senses. |
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