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When will the obsession with "analog" stop? (pg. 3)
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| Twilothunder23 |
Man... some of you are busters. Talking about how well it is going on mp3 so it doesn't matter what you use. There is a time and a place for everything.
Take for example this track.
Produced with real synths in a production room then mixed out on a big board by a professional mix engineer using 50k worth of outboard, hardware reverbs ect then send to mastering studio where a master was made using gml 8200s and 5k m/s processors fairchilds....
Then a record was made. This record that is now quite worn was ripped into a computer using a cheap soundcard then uploaded on youtube. Youtube is 64kbps....
Right here baby...
Peep this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCIjz1ZXAs
See how good, wide and professional it sounds? ^
Oh yeah what a waste of money all that was it is going on mp3 where your cracked software sounds just as good. :rolleyes:
outta here :whip:
If you are really talented with potential like msz is, figure out what you need to get your sound closer to the quality that does justice to your talent if you are not it doesn't matter figure out how to write great songs first then you can worry about the technical that make no mistake is very important as well. :)
There. :disbelief |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Twilothunder23
Man... some of you are busters. Talking about how well it is going on mp3 so it doesn't matter what you use. |
That's not at all what I said. |
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| Twilothunder23 |
I wasn't talking specifically about you I was addressing the mentality people have here. Waaaay too many ignorant noobs that have never made a half decent record like to take off their pants pull out their penis and take a piss at the entire recording industry. Way too many people are too quick to dismiss the entire recording industry... the tools of the great mixing and mastering studios with the great engineers that have been mixing for a living since some of you were ting in diapers as ''unnecessary '' when you and I know very well that the best sounding records were not made itb on computer they were made on real industrial strength gear aimed to the professional market. And that is the bottom line. Those records from the 90s that we grew up listening to sound better than the stuff being put out today and for me it is worth paying the extra dime if your music is really up to par or at least be humble and learn.
I mean...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCIjz1ZXAs
^ Sounds pretty good to me. ;) |
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| theterran |
Seems like the basic discussion is more about how our modern digital technology can accurately model analogue in a much cheaper fashion, and why people are still going ape over analogue when there's no audible difference.
thing is, it's really a moot argument anyway...it's all about personal preference and what makes you hard with regards to producing music. If you need that multi-thousand dollar Roland synth to give you a musical stiffy, then by all means...But that's not to say even a Rompler like Nexus couldn't give you equally (or near equally :P) as good sound...Or something like Sylenth1 or Zebra that could in fact model something as good.
Hell, I've heard ALOT of Nexus in Armin van Buuren's work, and it's still pretty good.
And there are some variables to "well produced" music...the quality of the producer his or herself for example...And many TA'ers seem to think that as a whole, the overall quality is going down since any "newbie" can get their hands on digital software...So it would stand to reason that these newbies would still produce garbage with analogue at their disposal.
So I can see how Analogue elitism might reek of bull as well after having read through this thread...You have to have lots of money to make well produced music? I'd say go yourself...Not like there's a load of money to be had in the music industry anyway unless you're a Tip-top producer, so why invest so much when an equally as good alternative is available...especially when you stand never to make it back by selling your music. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Twilothunder23
I wasn't talking specifically about you I was addressing the mentality people have here. Waaaay too many ignorant noobs that have never made a half decent record like to take off their pants pull out their penis and take a piss at the entire recording industry. Way too many people are too quick to dismiss the entire recording industry... the tools of the great mixing and mastering studios with the great engineers that have been mixing for a living since some of you were ting in diapers as ''unnecessary '' when you and I know very well that the best sounding records were not made itb on computer they were made on real industrial strength gear aimed to the professional market. And that is the bottom line. Those records from the 90s that we grew up listening to sound better than the stuff being put out today and for me it is worth paying the extra dime if your music is really up to par or at least be humble and learn.
I mean...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCIjz1ZXAs
^ Sounds pretty good to me. ;) |
While analogue gear is great and all, there is a climate of people who defend it like it's the be all, and end all, without having ever made anything great themselves, kind of like the inverted same case as you describe with people who swear by all ITB and have never made great tune while pissing on analogue gear. It really goes both ways.
In terms of Analogue gear or even GS, you're right but you're also talking about such a tiny percentage of people on planet eart who actually BOTH have the talent, and the kit to warrant it. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
No way. Nothing has surpased the look of Alien 1979 or Predator 1986. |
Not so much Predator, but ing Ailen and Aliens is right on the money. It was all racketeering and models, and it still looks incredibly good even to this day. A cartoonish, digital chest burster just would not be the same. |
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| Twilothunder23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by theterran
Seems like the basic discussion is more about how our modern digital technology can accurately model analogue in a much cheaper fashion, and why people are still going ape over analogue when there's no audible difference. |
It makes difference on the final product.
The final prodcut sounds better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCIjz1ZXAs
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Record a saw off an old korg synthi and listen to how it sounds then do the same thing on the es1. Yeah... no audible difference :rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by theterran
thing is, it's really a moot argument anyway...it's all about personal preference and what makes you hard with regards to producing music. If you need that multi-thousand dollar Roland synth to give you a musical stiffy, then by all means...But that's not to say even a Rompler like Nexus couldn't give you equally as good sound...
Hell, I've heard ALOT of Nexus in Armin van Buuren's work, and it's still pretty good.
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Nexus ain't ntohing but SAMPLED presets. Straight of the 1080 straight off the jp8000 straight off the virus synth into SAMPLIT. For s sake there are even LOOPS OFF OTHER PEOPLES MUSIC. This dude created the ultimate trance rompler by sampling the factory presets of old digital synthesizers. And his product reflects his mentality. The whole is illegal why you think you cant buy nexus in guitar center? They will sue his ass in a split second hell they even sued roland in the 90s over those 1080 expansion cards. |
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| Twilothunder23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
While analogue gear is great and all, there is a climate of people who defend it like it's the be all, and end all, without having ever made anything great themselves, kind of like the inverted same case as you describe with people who swear by all ITB and have never made great tune while pissing on analogue gear. It really goes both ways.
In terms of Analogue gear or even GS, you're right but you're also talking about such a tiny percentage of people on planet eart who actually BOTH have the talent, and the kit to warrant it. |
I went to the chicane website dropped by the forum and used wayback to see what he used to use to make his records. Chicane so amazing.  Guess what he had a big ass studio but like I said the most important thing is the music. The only time when your average fan is gonna notice the sound quality is when the sound is really good or really bad. If you can get your music though and the sound quality does not get in the way of anybody liking the record like msz can then it becomes a personal decision like he said he is looking to upgrade his rig to sound even better.
If you are like that other dude that said I am building a ''Jacuzzi studio with inspiring lighting'' and started talking about acoustic reflections and like that when (ahem) lets just say he had a loooong way to go before he truly discovered his artistic potential (see see better wording than last time) then save your money and focus more on song writing. But gear is not unnecessary and no software is not JUST as good. Don't get it twisted. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Twilothunder23
It makes difference on the final product.
The final prodcut sounds better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCIjz1ZXAs
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Record a saw off an old korg synthi and listen to how it sounds then do the same thing on the es1. Yeah... no audible difference :rolleyes:
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You're comparing apples to oranges. How about comparing the Arturia Minimoog V to a real Moog Voyager? They sound virtually identical.
| quote: | Originally posted by Twilothunder23
Nexus ain't ntohing but SAMPLED presets. Straight of the 1080 straight off the jp8000 straight off the virus synth into SAMPLIT. For s sake there are even LOOPS OFF OTHER PEOPLES MUSIC. This dude created the ultimate trance rompler by sampling the factory presets of old digital synthesizers. And his product reflects his mentality. The whole is illegal why you think you cant buy nexus in guitar center? They will sue his ass in a split second hell they even sued roland in the 90s over those 1080 expansion cards. |
I've never had much love for it, but it's a rompler and I don't think anyone else is trying to say otherwise. It is what it is. That's what romplers do. They have samples of other .
I seriously doubt if that's the reason GC won't sell it - its more like they don't have a distributor relationship with Refx.
Roland is a different is a differnt story. They got sued for certain expansion cards (and even synths) for copyright (and patent infringment by moog) as the cards featured full multinote sequences ripped straight from original works. I don't believe nexus does that.
Also there's no copyright on sounds themselves. Exactly why deepdish were pissed with Tall Paul (make the world go round and Let me show you respectively), as they were exactly the same sound, used in the same way but it was a roland bass preset and therefore they had no legal chance to sue him for it. |
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| theterran |
| quote: | Originally posted by Twilothunder23
It makes difference on the final product.
The final prodcut sounds better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCIjz1ZXAs
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Record a saw off an old korg synthi and listen to how it sounds then do the same thing on the es1. Yeah... no audible difference :rolleyes: |
The point isn't that a refined ear could hear the difference, it's that the "masses" couldn't hear the difference...especially on the majority of their garbage sound systems...And that song sounds like played through youtube.
You don't have to preach to me anyway, I love the sound of analogue and prefer it when I can get it...but I think that software/sound engineers will get to the point where it will no longer be necessary.
I've seen/heard a few true analogue software synths that put your soundcard through the same paces as an analogue synth. (Can't remember the names off hand but they were damn close to true analogue)
| quote: | | Nexus ain't ntohing but SAMPLED presets. |
Yeah I know what Nexus is :P. I use it to help practice emulating high quality sounds on my VST's. Safe to say, Sylenth1 does a damn good job replicating a high end 16T supersaw. |
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| Scrittah |
i herd ded mau five uzes analog stuff so its best
...please don't hurt me |
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