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How often do you go out to clubs to hear music? (pg. 11)
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
absolutely. i'm old too. he asked if i could play corporate event geared to people between 30 and 50. that was the demo i came up with.
you have to be relevant to the crowd you will play for...as producers your market should be the kids, going to clubs will help you, trust me. |
That's only if you're interested in playing to "kids" :rolleyes:
This thread has turned in to the biggest pile of turd in recent months.
Kit, I truly believe that going clubbing a few times a year is more than enough to understand the scene, especially if you've been doing it for years, and converse with other people who are either musically adept, involved in the industry in some form or are clued up about music as well.
To assert that you have to go out clubbing every month or week to know EDM or to be able to produce dance music is just as stupid as saying you can't produce music without $100,000 worth of studio outboard, but there's too much proof to contrary for either of these statements to be accurate in any sense.
I'll give an exact example:
Mylo's 2004 album, destroy rock and roll, whose various singles, although commercial in content, were played in clubs the world over, was produced in his home town of the on the isle of skye, with a population of only 9,000 people, and I don't think there's even a single club within 50 miles of the island, let alone on the island itself. He admits it was herder to tap in to popular culture, but basically he kept up to date via the few radio stations he could receive and the internet.
Now here's the studio he made it all on.
I think this nicely proves both. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Except he went to university in Edinburgh and then Oxford. It's not like he spent his whole life in the rural Scottish hinterland, or never went clubbing. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Except he went to university in Edinburgh and then Oxford. It's not like he spent his whole life in the rural Scottish hinterland, or never went clubbing. |
And that's my point (thanks).
While he made that album (it apparently took the best part of a year), he lived on the isle of skye. So I very much doubt he was raving every weekend.
Therefore, I do not need to go out every weekend to stay in touch or still be plugged in to the scene, let alone come up with music that may be good to dance to. |
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| Evolve140 |
| I have always been ahead of the curve, due to social networking and the internet. Things I see online, tend to happen a few weeks after. I roll my eyes a lot at parties. I rarely go clubbing. |
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| Evolve140 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
And that's my point (thanks).
While he made that album (it apparently took the best part of a year), he lived on the isle of skye. So I very much doubt he was raving every weekend.
Therefore, I do not need to go out every weekend to stay in touch or still be plugged in to the scene, let alone come up with music that may be good to dance to. |
Your point is well understood by me. Cheers. |
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| cryophonik |
I think the more relevant topic for this thread should have been "how many of you don't go clubbing, but have songs signed to dance labels and played in clubs anyway?" I'm quite confident that many of the people here who have songs signed and played by DJs worldwide answered never or almost never to this poll. And, given the fact that most labels IME are run by guys who are DJs themselves and/or rely heavily on DJ support and advice when signing tracks, they sign it based entirely on the merits of the track and maybe the artists' name/reputation, not how often the artist goes clubbing.
Let's be realistic here for a second, shall we? Dance music is simple, formulaic, and derivative. There are no secret magic ingredients added exclusively by club-going producers that only reveal themselves when played on a club system under the magical powers of the jesus-pose. Any decent producer with some musical sense can listen to the most popular dance tracks on their own system and figure out pretty easily what combination of elements makes the track dance-able. Emulating those elements and incorporating them into original ideas, without blatantly copying them, is a whole other story, but that requires solid composition and production skills, not a trip to a club.
All that said, yeah, I agree that clubgoing (or any other exposure to music) is one of many ways to improve your skills, inspire you to create, etc. Oh, and don't forget the girls and alcohol. A good musician should always prioritize those two. :) |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
And that's my point (thanks).
While he made that album (it apparently took the best part of a year), he lived on the isle of skye. So I very much doubt he was raving every weekend.
Therefore, I do not need to go out every weekend to stay in touch or still be plugged in to the scene, let alone come up with music that may be good to dance to. |
I think you know perfectly well that "you have to go out clubbing every month or week to know EDM or to be able to produce dance music" is a strawman of what's actually being suggested in this thread. I also conclude that you aren't nearly as plugged into the scene as you constantly claim to be, or else you'd effortlessly prove it. It's contradictory bull to refuse to name any artists because that's just "self-validation" but still to constantly blow your own horn about how you "follow dance music quite intensely" and how you're so "plugged in" to what's happening that there's no chance a great album can exist without you having heard something from it.
You may have this lot eating out of your hand because you've got an industry job, but I just see a guy who can't stop telling me how much he knows about music and how he doesn't need to listen to albums or set foot in clubs to do so, but can't provide the slightest shred of evidence to actually prove his point. You'd never heard the term "future garage" until I mentioned it, even though you can regularly read about it in the bloody Guardian. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Bring the noise, palm. Difficult to up one of my mix threads without keeping it on the first page. |
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| clay |
| im just tired of you ing up the production forum. you dont produce and you dont care anything about it and your post here are anything but valuable, why are you here to make our lives miserable? and please dont give me a full novel in reply. |
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| cryophonik |
| Just stop reading it if it's pissing you off that much, palm. Amongst the crap talk and polarization, there's plenty of good discussion here and, personally, I'm pretty intrigued by some of the opposing views. I might not agree with everything our DJ (or producer) friends have to say, but I'm learning a thing or two about how they think. |
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| MSZ |
| how often do you take a and wipe after? this is important. no-wipers ftw. |
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| MSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
whats pissing me off is that ALL OF THIS is music discussion and theres a separate subforum for just that. He just wants to discuss it here instead because the MD is full of losers and he doesnt get the discussion-material he need to get of at night before going to sleep there. It has NOTHING to do with producing music, he comes with no help, no questions or anything else related to what this forum is about. |
well duh, cant expect System-J to say anything about production, dont think he ever has. or has he? |
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