I'm just adding that when other people's music is discussed, it's evaluated qualitatively from a production stand-point - case-in-point - being the thread above, a clone of which exists in the Music Discussion Forum.
^^^^This is encompasses my sentiments precisely^^^^^
Not that I have any say in the matter, but Personally, I only want to see production related music discussion in the production forum.
If I want to dance about architecture, I'd do it in the construction forum ;)
Of course, there's off topic stuff in the PF, it gives some variance to this sub forum, but it should be the odd exception, and be castrated as soon as it gets in to....well, what this thread turned in to.
The last time I got analytical with a piece of music in MD, it was fairly pedantic:
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
It's got a catchy hook but the melody, consisting of a rhythmically simple, tonically syncopated, diadic interval ping, played through a descending series of major chords, never really does anything after its answer in the first algorithmic riddle, where it's introduced. There's variation but it's simply to move it up to the next octave or emphasize peak-notes through 32nd note repetition, rather than introduce subtle chord coloration, like augmentation, to the final thematic algorithm. In spite of this, I still think it's a cool tune and there's plenty of other stuff going on in the back-ground to keep it interesting.
I thought about it and analysis is pretty much a lot of what I post in MD, to discuss music. I still don't post down there, very often, and have mostly been browsing the best House/Trance Mix thread and Best non-trance song thread.
kitphillips
I think its interesting to know how PS members view things considering they don't go into music discussion. And I was curious as to whether you all DID go out or not, and my hypothesis has been confirmed correct IMO.
It just explains a lot of the views that people have around here and stuff people say.
Fledz
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Originally posted by kitphillips
I think its interesting to know how PS members view things considering they don't go into music discussion. And I was curious as to whether you all DID go out or not, and my hypothesis has been confirmed correct IMO.
It just explains a lot of the views that people have around here and stuff people say.
It doesn't prove anything. Your question is far too vague to conclude anything with certainty.
kitphillips
Personally I think it was a straightforward question. How often do you go out to a club where you believe there might be good music/music that you yourself might like to make. As distinct from going to a bar where they play top 40, or just accidentally going out and getting drunk at a club where you happen to hear good music. Its a measure of how plugged in to the scene people are, how much their social life revolves around music, and how much new music people are listening to.
Personally, I think it vindicates my position. But I don't really mind if you disagree with me. To me, it explains why there isn't a lot of discussion of music around here. I realise that there is a MD forum, but obviously producers have a different perspective on things, and in most production forums, there would be more discussion of new music and the production techniques behind it. Here, there is only discussion of new music heard on the radio and music from 5 years ago or more.
I'm not making a judgement about whether thats a good or bad thing, but I think from previous posts, people will know my position on that.
Raphie
Kit, again i think you're wrong.
The club is not the holy grail of dance music, the club is where the music ends up.
It's origin is elswhere, in people's thoughs, inspiration, jamming sessions etc etc.
it's so enormously narrowminded to think that one needs to be a clubber to know clubmusic. Anyone who invests time to discover a genre can get way ahead of curve without EVER to enter a club, simple stuff is just visit soundcloud, you hear the vibe of now, go to beatport, the vibe of now, choose the right podcasts on iTunes again, the vibe of now. Look a bit further and dig a bit deeper and you'll find the vibe of tomorrow. Being tied to the few mediocre DJ's in clubs in your surrounding is soo limited.
If you want to make any bold statement then just say that americans know jack about EDM and that they are the ones making stupid references to 10 year old Tiesto tracks as their benchmark. (which ofcourse is not entirely true either, since they also have internet in the US :D )
But hey others live in Europe. 99% of what you will find cool in 3 years down under arises here atm in Amsterdam, Berlin, Milan. Please don't assume that you're ahead of the curve, you just need to make due with whatever bleeds through to your country..... ignorance is bliss as they say.....
mathieu
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Originally posted by Raphie
Kit, again i think you're wrong.
The club is not the holy grail of dance music, the club is where the music ends up.
It's origin is elswhere, in people's thoughs, inspiration, jamming sessions etc etc.
it's so enormously narrowminded to think that one needs to be a clubber to know clubmusic. Anyone who invests time to discover a genre can get way ahead of curve without EVER to enter a club, simple stuff is just visit soundcloud, you hear the vibe of now, go to beatport, the vibe of now, choose the right podcasts on iTunes again, the vibe of now. Look a bit further and dig a bit deeper and you'll find the vibe of tomorrow. Being tied to the few mediocre DJ's in clubs in your surrounding is soo limited.
If you want to make any statement then just say that americans know jack about EDM and that they are the ones making stupid references to 10 year old Tiesto tracks as their benchmark.
But hey others live in Europe. 99% of what you will find cool in 3 years down under arises here atm in Amsterdam, Berlin Milan. Please don't assume that you're ahead of the curve, you just need to make due with whatever bleeds through to your country..... ignorance is bliss as they say.....
Americans invented Techno and House I doubt they dont know ;) And it is good to go out if you want to make danceable music, those little things you do in your tunes and that are pretty insignificant at home can have a huge impact when dancing, you know what i mean, that little 1 bar of kick that you take out at the end of a 16 bar phrase can up really hard if not done at the right time. But, agreed its not mega mega essential
Raphie
Mathieu, your right ofcourse, for getting the vibe and experience what works and what doesn't, but that's also the DJ and how he makes mix decissions, or even more important track collection, or genre knowledge. but it's far from as black and white as Kit wants us to believe. My point, in a club you're limited to whatever the DJ brings to the party (litteraly), it's a sellers market, online it's a buyers market ;)
Simple example: go to Storytellers Soundcloud, listen to some of the people he follows and again to some of they people they follow. within 5 clicks you are with some of the hottest producers worldwide and labels Kit probably never heard of. let alone played them. That's more my point
and yes i love my Grandmaster Steve Hurley, and Farley Jackmaster funk :D my point is that mainstream US took a detour for the worse from folk & rock onwards with the emphasis on Hiphop & R&B rather than Techno/House (ofcourse there is a scene innovative EDM producers) ;) but look at the billboard hot 100, hardly any EDM tracks in there, now look at the mainstream top 40 lists in europe, often 1 to 5 tracks that are probably even too hot to enter the US top 100 underground charts, the culture is just different.
mathieu
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Originally posted by Raphie
Mathieu, your right ofcourse, for getting the vibe and experience what works and what doesn't, but that's also the DJ and how he makes mix decissions, or even more important track collection, or geenre knowledge. but it's far from as black and white as Kit wants us to believe. My point, in a club you're limited to whatever the DJ brings to the party (litteraly), it's a sellers market, online it's a buyers market ;)
Simple example: go to Storytellers Soundcloud, listen to some of the people he follows and again to some of they people they follow. within 5 clicks you are with some of the hottest producers worldwide and labels Kit probalby never heard of. let alone played them. That's more my point
and yes i love my Grandmaster Steve Hurley, and Farley Jackmaster funk :D my point is that mainstream US took a detour for the worse with the emphasis on Hiphop & R&B rather than Techno/House (ofcourse there is a scene innovative EDM producers) ;)
Oh definitely agree with all of that !
Just right now I was on some pirate site called electrouniverse (I like digging for new music that way I dont dl the tunes(most are crap anyways)) And while sifting through the crap I found this :
Obviously, its my personnal taste but thats not the point, the point is : youre damn right you can find tons of stuff on the net in a couple clicks (I had never heard of tigerskin before)
And yea again I agree bout the US tho it seems like theire done screwing up hip hop and now theire attacking house music those bastards. 4/4 beats everywhere on the radio and that damn square synth sound lol and chris brown singing on top of it
Edit: theirs no proper edm on the radio youre right but theire raping it like crazy, katy perry singing on some generic electrobeat, snoop dogg singing on a house beat with auto tune its amazingly wack :stongue:
Evolve140
I missed some shows, but the scene here is total garbage. When I would miss a show, after a while the remorse or emptiness of missing it would fade. I realized, why go out to the same clubs in the same ty small town, when no one there likes you? They don't want to see your face or meet you, they just want to stare you down and see what you're wearing, or stare down your clique. When I go out, I always have an entourage. When we get through the front door, I usually just split! I see them maybe an hour later, on the dance floor. A few body language gestures, maybe a scream in the ear to compete with the sound system, and I'm back roaming the dance floor again. On a perfect night, the DJ is rocking things proper and I see my friends again -- another brief moment of body language, probably no shouting in the ear at this point in the night, then back to the dance floor. See you when the DJ is finished spinning. I'm here for the music.
kitphillips
Mathieu, Tigerskin is huge and has been for at least 3-4 years. If you went to MD occasionally you'd have seen him referenced in lots of people's monthly top 10s.
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Originally posted by Raphie
Kit, again i think you're wrong.
The club is not the holy grail of dance music, the club is where the music ends up.
It's origin is elswhere, in people's thoughs, inspiration, jamming sessions etc etc.
it's so enormously narrowminded to think that one needs to be a clubber to know clubmusic. Anyone who invests time to discover a genre can get way ahead of curve without EVER to enter a club, simple stuff is just visit soundcloud, you hear the vibe of now, go to beatport, the vibe of now, choose the right podcasts on iTunes again, the vibe of now. Look a bit further and dig a bit deeper and you'll find the vibe of tomorrow. Being tied to the few mediocre DJ's in clubs in your surrounding is soo limited.
If you want to make any bold statement then just say that americans know jack about EDM and that they are the ones making stupid references to 10 year old Tiesto tracks as their benchmark. (which ofcourse is not entirely true either, since they also have internet in the US :D )
But hey others live in Europe. 99% of what you will find cool in 3 years down under arises here atm in Amsterdam, Berlin, Milan. Please don't assume that you're ahead of the curve, you just need to make due with whatever bleeds through to your country..... ignorance is bliss as they say.....
You sir, are a patronising twat. You have no idea what is current, and that much is obvious from your posts. I deliberately haven't engaged with you thus far because you assume that you know everything there is to know because you're from *gasp* Amsterdam.
In fact, Sydney is one of the bigger clubbing cities in the world with one of the most diverse music scene's out there. If you've heard of (decent sized) names like Jaytech, Deepchild, Christian Vance, Schwa, the entire Beef records label, Jamie Lloyd, Jimi Polar, they're all from either Sydney, Melbourne or Canberra.
Its gone down hill in recent years sure, but DJs here are still well ahead of the curve.Personally, I'd never set myself up as a font of wisdom regarding current sounds, I actually like being out of step with what most like. But I can assure you that I've listened to your tracks and they show just how far behind the curve you are. You're a prime candidate for the "stuck in 2001" award.
If you think that top 40 in Europe is so incredibly superior then I'd question if you have any idea at all. Pleas keep talking though, its just further proving my point.
PS
For your information, and assuming this is storyteller's page http://soundcloud.com/storyteller/following ; I have actually played the music of Allende (member here), Eelke Klein, 16 Bit lolitas, Chantola, Chicane, Embliss, Guy J, Peter Horrevorts, Stereotypy (Member here), the timewriter, and a few more.
Whats more, I was playing all that Outside the Box at least 3 years ago, and I was getting a good reaction with it in clubs.
Now take your superiority and off.
Storyteller
I'm up to my ass in the amsterdam clubbing scene as I also work for an amsterdam based nightlife/culture magazine. I've helped a lot of promoters and some club owners grasping the technical basics within a studio. How to make their show sound okay on the air basically. I've set up and provided support for this studio. I will be setting up the studio again on another location probably within a month. There is some magic in Amsterdam, but in my opinion there's only a place/promoter or 2 maybe 3 that I'd consider to be forward-thinking. (I intentionally evaded the word progressive there hehe). Saying the new EDM only comes from Europe is way too easy and very much untrue. I think it might be fair to say EDM is being developed in Western countries mostly, although that might be a bold statement just as much. Feel free to correct me on that.
kitphillips
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Originally posted by Storyteller
I'm up to my ass in the amsterdam clubbing scene as I also work for an amsterdam based nightlife/culture magazine. I've helped a lot of promoters and some club owners run their own radio show from a studio I've set up and provided support for. There is some magic in Amsterdam, but in my opinion there's only a place/promoter or 2 maybe 3 that I'd consider to be forward-thinking. (I intentionally evaded the word progressive there hehe). Saying the new EDM only comes from Europe is way too easy and very much untrue. I think it might be fair to say EDM is being developed in Western countries, although that might be a bold statement just as much.
FYI, we have similar taste in music;) I am also under the impression that Amsterdam hasn't really been on the cutting edge for a few years now, I think it was really big when trance dominated the scene, but that was a long time ago now.
