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How often do you go out to clubs to hear music? (pg. 8)
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I knew what I was doing, but I really don't see why the above (my OP, verbatim) should inspire immediate hostility from people with no context. And yet it did.
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You know what the context was, and combine that with the timing and what came before it and that fact you knew what you were doing. Let's just leave it there for now.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yeah, most albums are . Again, most music is .
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True to an extent, but I wouldn't be working the industry if that was an absolute.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You seem to be telling me that either:
A) None of the artists who make all this music you keep up with ever bring out albums.
B) They do, but you deliberately avoid listening to them. If a track doesn't come out on single or promo, you'll never hear it.
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Neither of those, although (A) is true for some of the music I buy. You just need to wrap your head around the fact the album is no where near as relevant these days. Combine that with the fact in the vast majority of cases albums are just the singles already released with a bit of filler to pad it out, and the best they'll ever get from me is a quick skim, like how I used to buy vinyl or how I audition tracks online. I know my tastes well enough to have confidence to make decisions like that and I don't need to trawl through filler to make me confident in my choices.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Otherwise, I don't see how anyone who keeps up with as much new music as you claim to do doesn't hear at least a dozen new albums a year, simply because artists are always releasing them. With services like Spotify and the ease of piracy, it's incredibly easy to pre-listen to an album before you decide whether to buy. Since I've got Spotify, the amount of full albums I've been listening to has gone through the roof.
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I'll never use spotify as it's criminal how little they pay to artists (and my problem is not with the fact they give exposure to artists (blah blah blah), but that they make a lot of money as a commercial entity and pass all of it along to said artists). In that respect i prefer piracy, at least there's not a corporate entity making money off it, but that's a different discussion.
I'll repeat it in case you didn't get it the first time. I don't need albums to expose me to new music (again, they're often the already released material with some filler etc etc), there are too many ways to find new artists and tracks for hunting down albums to really be a
viable and efficient use of my time, and frankly I know enough people involved in music both with similar and diverse tastes that I hear a lot of music through other methods than having to skim through pile of turd and filler albums.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Although you're incredibly vague over what new music you do hear. I never hear any names dropped or tracks posted. It'd help me get a clearer picture of where you're at if you did some of that here.
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Not quite true as even just a few days ago we were discussing new prog producers, but you are right to an extent, and for two VERY imprtant reasons:
1, I don't wear my music tastes like some badge of social validation. I could care less that others know the inner workings of my musical palette on a daily basis. I also don't post on FB a running commentary of my bowel movements.
2, This is the production forum, so not the place for it. Hence, my if I wanted to let everyone know how cool I am for listening to Autechre latest offereing, I'd either do it there in on the c0r (neither of which is going to happen any time soon), and I like it that way.
And in essence, why I find this thread (at least now) incredibly lame, as it's turned more in to a MD discussion than PF material.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
That's a very generous reading. The way I see it, only a quarter of the voters go out at all regularly, and at least one of those voters was me and I'm guessing another one was Jay. |
Well I took the reading as clubbing (not going to bars, as the title says "clubs for music"), and my assessment was based on that, which I think is a fair amount in favor given the stats.
If we're including bars with Dj's then that's every week for me in one way or another.
Again, to go back to my sentiments above, I don't think this discussion is really worthy of the Production forum, and it should be discussed in there, if at all. |
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| mathieu |
| what is the point of all these recent threads? |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by mathieu
what is the point of all these recent threads? |
Apparently, it's taken on the form of an advice column with which to tout axioms that only hypothetically relate to music production while still being relieved of substantial and profitable discussion about what can be learned from going out, let alone the benefits of being sequestered to work on one's own sound (along with the myriad possibilities, in between). |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Not quite true as even just a few days ago we were discussing new prog producers, but you are right to an extent, and for two VERY imprtant reasons:
1, I don't wear my music tastes like some badge of social validation. I could care less that others know the inner workings of my musical palette on a daily basis. I also don't post on FB a running commentary of my bowel movements.
2, This is the production forum, so not the place for it. Hence, my if I wanted to let everyone know how cool I am for listening to Autechre latest offereing, I'd either do it there in on the c0r (neither of which is going to happen any time soon), and I like it that way.
And in essence, why I find this thread (at least now) incredibly lame, as it's turned more in to a MD discussion than PF material. |
I've never met a group of people on a music forum so opposed to the idea of discussing the music they like. There doesn't seem to be any way of actually finding out, because you'll invariably criticise the question in any way you can think of. Clubs are , albums are out-dated, being enthusiastic about new music is just showing off... I can outright ask "What new music are you passionate about?" and I'll only get "This is an MD thread" back, even if 90% of the people here never go in MD, and even most of the people who do like you, EZ or palm never seem to actually talk about any new music once you get there.
PM me the ing response if you're so opposed to the idea of publicly discussing your music tastes on a ing music forum. I'm interested to know which artists you're referring to, who are making these filler-laden albums or who just aren't making albums. Given we have widely different views on the worth of the artist album, I feel it's important to see what music you're listening to that's given you this opinion. I'll happily post examples to support my argument that there are plenty of great albums, but without some kind of musical exchange this discussion is euphemistic and pointless. And don't intentionally sabotage it on the grounds that "this is an MD discussion" because this thread was always an MD discussion and you still answered the ing question. In for a penny, in for a pound.
And as shocking as this may sound, I am genuinely interested in hearing this great new music you're apparently finding. Not as some exercise in "social validation", but because I like hearing great music. Bizarre, I know. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
...EZ... never seem to actually talk about any new music once you get there. |
Mostly because I tend to go there to peruse new threads. I do make the occasional wise-crack but I have participated in some discussions, albeit not as comprehensively as elsewhere.
On a related note, I'm not all that certain how a lack of participation in that forum relates to music production. I see the connection you're making but, without discounting its validity, it seems to imply that only your standard will suffice. I'm not being double minded to think that you have a point but I don't think you're considering a bunch of other possibilities.
It's not that I'm opposed to discussing the music I'm liking or listening to. I just don't think the '60's -'70's Easy Listening Rock kick I've been on for the past three weeks is all that relevant to most of the posters in Music Discussion, given why I'm listening, in the first place, let alone the fact that it's some of the most beatless music I've ever heard.
While I've been enjoying a lot of the entries in the best non-trance thread, chiming in with the lazy +1, and following up with Anne Murray's rendition of "The Spy who Loved Me", seems a little anachronistic. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I've never met a group of people on a music forum so opposed to the idea of discussing the music they like. There doesn't seem to be any way of actually finding out, because you'll invariably criticise the question in any way you can think of. Clubs are , albums are out-dated, being enthusiastic about new music is just showing off... I can outright ask "What new music are you passionate about?" and I'll only get "This is an MD thread" back, even if 90% of the people here never go in MD, and even most of the people who do like you, EZ or palm never seem to actually talk about any new music once you get there.
PM me the ing response if you're so opposed to the idea of publicly discussing your music tastes on a ing music forum. I'm interested to know which artists you're referring to, who are making these filler-laden albums or who just aren't making albums. Given we have widely different views on the worth of the artist album, I feel it's important to see what music you're listening to that's given you this opinion. I'll happily post examples to support my argument that there are plenty of great albums, but without some kind of musical exchange this discussion is euphemistic and pointless. And don't intentionally sabotage it on the grounds that "this is an MD discussion" because this thread was always an MD discussion and you still answered the ing question. In for a penny, in for a pound.
And as shocking as this may sound, I am genuinely interested in hearing this great new music you're apparently finding. Not as some exercise in "social validation", but because I like hearing great music. Bizarre, I know. |
Jack, I honestly have little to no interest in discussing my musical tastes online, be it in a public forum or with you via PM.
Hence the EXACT why I stay out of the MD forum - honestly, I've been on here nearly 10 years and I have probably contributed in less than a dozen MD threads.
In other words. It's not you, it's me. I JUST HAVE NO INTEREST IN DISCUSSING IT.
Hence, why I want these discussions to stay out of the Prod forum. I'm saying I like it to stay that way. I'm actually pissed with myself that I've already discussed this much nonsense about the worth of an album, and again, why I said a few posts back this thread is incredibly lame, myself contributing to that very factor.
The reason you think people are opposed to discussing music in this specific way (i.e. how you like to discuss music) is that the production forum is meant to be exactly that. ABOUT PRODUCTION. If I had my way a thread would be curbed the moment it got into MD territory, if it was not production related.
That's why my first post was three sentences, and even though it was a technically an MD discussion in the first place, I thought it might be interesting to hear the responses of other PF regs, as I had a curiosity as to how that clubbing frequency may relate to producers.
Beyond that, I have no interest. And yes, this thread has gone way beyond that.
If you really want to know what music I'm interested in, then just ask Storyteller ;) |
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| -FSP- |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
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Damnit i'm so slow when it comes to the internet memes, i clicked that and got owned. :mad: |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
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http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...8&forumid=48&s=
I'm just adding that when other people's music is discussed, it's evaluated qualitatively from a production stand-point - case-in-point - being the thread above, a clone of which exists in the Music Discussion Forum.
As a matter of fact, Cryophonik's thread, which brought about this one when Mr. JBJ wanted to informally test one of kitphillips' assumptions, also has a clone in MD, albeit one started by a different poster. |
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| mathieu |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Apparently, it's taken on the form of an advice column with which to tout axioms that only hypothetically relate to music production while still being relieved of substantial and profitable discussion about what can be learned from going out, let alone the benefits of being sequestered to work on one's own sound (along with the myriad possibilities, in between). |
To be honest, I find none of this profitable. All I see is a couple regulars, complaining about people (who do no even contribute to this section) posting their uninspired music in the promo section and saying all TA producers dont know jack and make boring music.
Simply not true.
Of course there are a couple others who are (rightly) defending others.
I admit that the stuff stated in these threads might have been eye-opening to a minority, but its quite obvious that you have to go to clubs to make club music hahah. And, that to stand out you need your own signature style? obviously.
Why not focus on improving instead? Because all I see,(correct me if im wrong) is bashing. I'm sure SystemJ could tell me something i dont know about making music, simply because he has a different perspective.
Sorry if I misinterpreted your post. I've always been to french school so my grasp of english is not on your level yet lol. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by mathieu
To be honest, I find none of this profitable. All I see is a couple regulars, complaining about people (who do no even contribute to this section) posting their uninspired music in the promo section and saying all TA producers dont know jack and make boring music.
Simply not true.
Of course there are a couple others who are (rightly) defending others.
I admit that the stuff stated in these threads might have been eye-opening to a minority, but its quite obvious that you have to go to clubs to make club music hahah. And, that to stand out you need your own signature style? obviously.
Why not focus on improving instead? Because all I see,(correct me if im wrong) is bashing. I'm sure SystemJ could tell me something i dont know about making music, simply because he has a different perspective.
Sorry if I misinterpreted your post. I've always been to french school so my grasp of english is not on your level yet lol. |
What you just posted was pretty much what I was getting at when I replied to you. This thread seemed more like a revisiting of old wounds and was not what I intended with the conversation I started preceding all this outrage. I still think Mr. JBJ was right to start this thread, but the amount of importance being placed on "going to clubs" along with the same level in stubbornness over "not going to clubs" (feel free to substitute any of the other recommended/unrecommended practices for "going to clubs") is reminding me of the worst advice I've ever followed.
I don't think you misinterpreted my post and your English is a lot better than my French. ;) |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...8&forumid=48&s=
I'm just adding that when other people's music is discussed, it's evaluated qualitatively from a production stand-point - case-in-point - being the thread above, a clone of which exists in the Music Discussion Forum.
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^^^^This is encompasses my sentiments precisely^^^^^
Not that I have any say in the matter, but Personally, I only want to see production related music discussion in the production forum.
If I want to dance about architecture, I'd do it in the construction forum ;)
Of course, there's off topic stuff in the PF, it gives some variance to this sub forum, but it should be the odd exception, and be castrated as soon as it gets in to....well, what this thread turned in to. |
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| -FSP- |
Well system-j, I am a house head, as in I love staying inside my house while listening to house and techno music. I don't even like dancing because I'm just a relaxed guy. I don't like drinking because I have to spend money on drinks. I personally don't like the thought of making 'dance oriented' dance music, because that means I have to follow trends.
I don't follow trends at all, I am so estranged from the dance music scene that my only connection with dance floor is resident advisor , xlr8r, and forum word of mouth. I pretty much do most of my discovery through digging.
I don't listen to albums much either, though I'm always interested in them because I know I'll be hearing a chunk of music from an artist's specific sound. I do follow artists and labels and am interested in what they play. There is no doubt I'll preview the albums on beatport or amazon.
I don't listen to new music often, I buy a chunk of music that I like and will listen to that huge chunk throughout half of the year, though I go window shopping on beatport and juno just to see what people are up to these days.
I do produce music more than I listen to new music. I personally would like to create the new music. I'd rather be myself and sell myself. I don't care if I'm making a pop bootleg that'll go up on soundcloud or an underground electronica song with a goal of making an official release out of it. I'd rather be myself than be a fashion victim.
I'm sure there are many like me on this very sub-forum.
Is my music worth it to make it on a playlist? Is it dance worthy? That's up to the labels to decide, then the DJs, then the clubbers. Hell, I'll even add the soundcloud kids who like bootlegs to that list. If I'm a problem, than the A&Rs would delete my e-mail, and the soundclouders won't download, and I'll humbly accept this. Sometimes you're your own worst enemy and your hot track isn't all that hot; there's a good reason to listen to their silence. That silence means "I won't dance to it" in dancelish or something.
in the meantime , i'll be grinding away in front of ableton, like so many other producers who do it out of love.
that's my 2c on it. |
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