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How often do you go out to clubs to hear music? (pg. 12)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
im just tired of you ing up the production forum. you dont produce and you dont care anything about it and your post here are anything but valuable, why are you here to make our lives miserable? and please dont give me a full novel in reply. |
You will never see me around with a technical discussion in this forum, ever. I only ever post in what are essentially MD discussions - about clubbing, about the state of the industry, about what makes a good album, etc. If you think those discussions are "ruining" the forum, don't contribute to them, and don't keep them at the top of the page with your replies.
It's a ing debate - does being in contact with the native context of the music you're making aid in producing it? There's only one side of this debate getting ing pissy and decrying the nature of the discussion while still ceaseless contributing. The funny thing is that these MD discussions crop up in this forum all the time and it's fine while ever TA producers are chatting about the exact they could go to MD for. I don't start these threads, I just contribute to them, and apparently upset you all by not regurgitating the same self-protective fallacies. |
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| cryophonik |
I agree. Most of the topics discussed in this thread are at least somewhat relevant to production. Also, it's nowhere near the most combative threads we've had here.
Anyway, in the spirit of making this production-related, one point that is being overlooked here is the negative aspect of clubgoing for producers - the potential for hearing problems. How often do threads about tinnitus pop up on these forums? Every other month or so? That's as good an argument for producers to avoid clubs as any, unless you're going to use protection, which many producers apparently don't do. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
yeah MD man MD!!!!! you and Trance-MB. dont post your here. if you have a question about compression, supersaw or analog please come back.
edit: this was for jack |
But, what if I have a question about supersaws? :( |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
yeah MD man MD!!!!! you and Trance-MB. dont post your here. if you have a question about compression, supersaw or analog please come back. |
I don't why you think I'm going to do anything you tell me to. If I don't obey you're going to bump my mixes for me? The horror. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I think you know perfectly well that "you have to go out clubbing every month or week to know EDM or to be able to produce dance music" is a strawman of what's actually being suggested in this thread. I also conclude that you aren't nearly as plugged into the scene as you constantly claim to be, or else you'd effortlessly prove it. It's contradictory bull to refuse to name any artists because that's just "self-validation" but still to constantly blow your own horn about how you "follow dance music quite intensely" and how you're so "plugged in" to what's happening that there's no chance a great album can exist without you having heard something from it.
You may have this lot eating out of your hand because you've got an industry job, but I just see a guy who can't stop telling me how much he knows about music and how he doesn't need to listen to albums or set foot in clubs to do so, but can't provide the slightest shred of evidence to actually prove his point. You'd never heard the term "future garage" until I mentioned it, even though you can regularly read about it in the bloody Guardian. |
Do pay attention Jack; Eddie already posted threads including some of musical tastes and I again, I won't post them up as I find it a monumental waste of time.
You're known on here to be obsessed with minute differentiations of micro genres that are already sub genres of larger genres and psuedo muso (hack) journalism, which I just don't care for, so getting some validation from you, or even posting my recent downloads list to prove a point is not of slightest interest. Just look - the info is out there, which is may be why people in the PF know where I'm coming from, and you don't.
Aside from this, the point wasn't directed specifically at you (you just decided to take it personal and questioning my musical taste because of it) - if anything more so kit, but he, unlike you, can take other people disagreeing with him like an normal person, as he stated.
you can live on a remote island and sparsely populated island, not close to a single club and still produce globally popular EDM, even setting a trend....Deal with it.
Palm is right - if you've got nothing production related then off out of here, otherwise start contributing in a positive manner, not just look for different sandbox to in. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by mathieu
Yep, I discovered that just after posting that post actually :stongue:
I'm an ancient trance cracker, I'm not fully converted yet so I'm still unfamiliar with the other scenes, will checkout the md more often ! |
MD top 10 threads are worth reading. Find someone who has similar taste to you and stalk them, you often find interesting artists that way IME.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
And that's my point (thanks).
While he made that album (it apparently took the best part of a year), he lived on the isle of skye. So I very much doubt he was raving every weekend.
Therefore, I do not need to go out every weekend to stay in touch or still be plugged in to the scene, let alone come up with music that may be good to dance to. |
Yeah, but we're talking about people who haven't gone clubbing regularly for like 5 or more years on here. To not go clubbing regularly for a year is one thing, but to have not gone clubbing since trance was in its heyday, and then expect to know the current shape of the scene is stupid IMO.
I'd say your situation is different because you work in the industry so are exposed to people who have broader taste than the radio every day. Most of my interactions outside of my clubbing friends are with people who think that lady gaga is dance music. If it wasn't for my clubbing friends, I'd be pretty out of touch innit.
Again, I'm not here to convince anyone. I was finding this thread informative and it explains a lot of the stuff I see around here. I'm sticking to my position, you're welcome to stick to yours:)
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
I agree. Most of the topics discussed in this thread are at least somewhat relevant to production. Also, it's nowhere near the most combative threads we've had here.
Anyway, in the spirit of making this production-related, one point that is being overlooked here is the negative aspect of clubgoing for producers - the potential for hearing problems. How often do threads about tinnitus pop up on these forums? Every other month or so? That's as good an argument for producers to avoid clubs as any, unless you're going to use protection, which many producers apparently don't do. |
Yep agreed. I'm finding this thread actually relevant and interesting, I think its almost run its course, but there is something to say here and its interesting to hear what other posters on here think about the issue and how they concieve of dance music generally.
On your second point - not buying a $20 pair of earplugs is silly. Always wear protection:p |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Do pay attention Jack; Eddie already posted threads including some of musical tastes and I again, I won't post them up as I find it a monumental waste of time. |
He posted a thread in which you regurgitated the same two middling prog tracks you'd seen someone else post in the prog thread in MD you referred to. Which is really compelling evidence that you're on top of all the great music coming out.
I'm going to drop this now because it is getting pointlessly tangential. I'm just extremely irritated by your ty passive-aggressive have-cake-and-eat way of trying to tell me I'm wrong without showing me. The idea that you won't PM me some current you're digging because it "just doesn't interest you" is just 100% pure bull, top to bottom. |
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| clay |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm just extremely irritated by your ty passive-aggressive have-cake-and-eat way of trying to tell me I'm wrong without showing me. |
oh the hypocrisy lol |
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| Fledz |
| ing hell, this is why I tend to avoid MD most of the time. What a cluster of a thread. Let's grab the biggest egos from the c0r while we're at it so we can have the entire collection of TAs most stubborn idiots. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Eddie already posted threads including some of musical tastes and I again, I won't post them up as I find it a monumental waste of time. |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
He posted a thread in which you regurgitated the same two middling prog tracks you'd seen someone else post in the prog thread in MD you referred to. Which is really compelling evidence that you're on top of all the great music coming out. |
The reason I posted what I posted was to illustrate that there may be a fundamental difference with how producers, opposing yourself (SYSTEM-J + Other participants in MD, et al) listen to music. You, being a writer, I've read where you don't like to read books by other people because it pollutes your style. Why shouldn't that be the case for producers?
The point is that when I hear a piece of music, I'm looking at it from an entirely different point of view (not better or even more objective than your analysis - just different). I'm trying to identify the intent of the artist and evaluate how the song functions to measure up with that intent. It doesn't matter if the song is electro, dub step, trance, house, whatever. What's more important to me is if it works, from an engineering and musical perspective and then fulfills the intent of the producer, regardless of who he may be compared to.
While you incorporate those elements into your evaluations of music, your perspective places importance within other criteria which, I suspect, are largely informed by the scope of music you've listened to. You are, in as far as I can surmise, making comparative evaluations that, for a producer, can lead to not seeing the forest for the trees.
Again, I'm not saying one method is more valuable than another. What I am saying is that you're taking a fundamental difference between how music is evaluated and boiling it down to an incapacity and/or unwillingness to evaluate a wider body of music. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm just extremely irritated by your ty passive-aggressive have-cake-and-eat way of trying to tell me I'm wrong without showing me.
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| quote: | Originally posted by clay
oh the hypocrisy lol |
Indeed, but that's not where it even starts...
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I don't why you think I'm going to do anything you tell me to.
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| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The idea that you won't PM me some current you're digging
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| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm just extremely irritated
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Mission accomplished.
The more you beg the less I'll give - for the main reason that your whole gig here is a desperate attempts at character assassination based off someone else's music tastes.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
He posted a thread in which you regurgitated the same two middling prog tracks you'd seen someone else post in the prog thread in MD you referred to. Which is really compelling evidence that you're on top of all the great music coming out.
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I won't give you the satisfaction either way, so I'm happy that all you have to go on is what little I've already posted in other threads that fit with my ideals (not yours) of what I want to discuss about my personal music choices.
The fascinating thing is how much you've followed me in your attempts to do this, and trawling through those threads that Eddie posted. I can honestly say, I would not go to the same lengths for you, and to me this shows quite an interesting facet of your persona (at least on TA).
Eddie sums it up nicely (and far more adultly) than I, but your over blowing self righteousness is just irresistible, not to mention makes it so damn easy to push your buttons. I've said this in other threads, I just can't understand why you still don't get it. Just don't give me the firepower - I can't do it if you don't.
I think Kit got it right - maybe there is an exception in my case because a lot of my friends are accomplished or working musicians, engineers, producers or DJ's, but I'd say anyone passionate about music probably also has a lot of friends that are in to music as well, be they on here or in home town or city, so actually I don't think it's unique. I can't actually remember the last time I listened to commercial radio, apart from sirius BPM, which I listen to most days in the car, and is non stop EDM in all forms including weekly mixes from all major dj's.
But on to Eddies point about the fundamental difference here, which I think he nails, more so than other point made in this thread; the validity of the thread subject here can have little to the with the actual perception of music, or indeed to evaluate if it has any baring on how it affects production values of regulars here. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
The reason I posted what I posted was to illustrate that there may be a fundamental difference with how producers, opposing yourself (SYSTEM-J + Other participants in MD, et al) listen to music. You, being a writer, I've read where you don't like to read books by other people because it pollutes your style. Why shouldn't that be the case for producers? |
That's an interesting possibility, but I think that issue is quite specific. I find strong narrative voices infect your mind in general, whether you're a writer or not. If you spend a lot of time in the company of a particularly strong narrator, when you put the book down you can find yourself thinking in that character's voice. I tend to aim for strong narrative voices myself, through particular methodology - lots of free direct presentation, strong focalisation and so on. If I wrote bland omnisicent "John opened the door" narration I wouldn't have any problem reading the same. I also don't get that problem when I'm writing an essay or journalism - often another writer will kick me up a gear in terms of my own writing. I actually steal a hell of a lot of devices and phrases from other writers, and reappropriate them. If I didn't read voraciously I wouldn't have any style of my own, because your own style is just an amalgamation of your tastes and influences. Which is sort of my larger point here - if you're not continually updating and expanding those things, it's difficult to develop.
Also, when I'm gearing up to write something I'll immerse myself in a lot of similar material to get me in the mood. That involves reading other books, watching films, listening to music, going to certain places and soaking up the ambience. I like to read other works that have tackled similar themes or have utilised similar devices to what I have in mind.
I'm going to be totally open here - I don't read as much as I'd like to, and I certainly don't keep up with current literature. I don't think it's nearly as important, because literature is positively glacial compared to music in terms of movements and techniques, but I still think I should read more. It's funny that I was having this discussion with a friend recently - she is an aspiring musician and spends a lot of time recording demos in her bedroom. She listens to, buys and knows far less music than me, but she buys and reads a hell of a lot more books than me. When she gets stressed and wants to escape into a headspace she'll pick up a book, but when she asked me I do the same I said I'm much more likely to put an album on.
In a way, this whole debate is a by-proxy examination of my own limitations as an artist. I think there's this trap that when you make any art form your craft you risk losing that essential interaction with it as a fan, and that causes all sorts of problems. I certainly don't consider myself the complete artist, and I've got my own struggles with productivity and inspiration.
So I might not have much to contribute in terms of production talk, but in issues of creativity, inspiration and the relationship between external influences and your own output, I've got a lateral perspective. If more of the producers in this thread actually came back with answers like yours we might have a good discussion going here. Instead there's a whole battalion of over-sensitive wankers bleating because "music discussion" is happening, and it's raising a whole bunch of uncomfortable implications never encountered in a thread about side-chaining or compression. |
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