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Going back to PC (pg. 6)
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| Looney4Clooney |
mac doesn't actually make a single component. They just don't have to design software for anything other than the ones they have made. There hardrives are the same or inferior. I like macs but i am no fanboy. And the latest offerings from mac are aweful. Not to mention the uncertainty of pro audio on a mac.
money is not the issue. A mac used to be a no brainer. Used to be. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceLover007
I know where you are coming from and understand your point of view man, but at the same time you have to consider this simple fact that you are buying Mac computer and not Mac with (in your case) Seagate HD (in my case is Hitachi) – you are buying whole package with warranty from Mac on everything what is in it. Every repair effect their bottom line and has impact on their reputation. They have very rigoristic and strict process of selecting specific vendors for all of those components which will be instal in their computers ( + assembly quality control and testing is very complex and complicated procedure).
Also Solid Stage parts doesn’t necessary mean is better quality and reliability (at this moment), I'm still using one of my WD HD 20GB which I got over 6 years ago lol.
I hope that L4C will base his opinion not only of our two comment but on everyone else commenting in this thread , my only $0.02.
Cheers,
Darek |
But that's not really accurate. You simply can't blame apple or accuse them of making faulty products when the hard drive goes. I know what you're getting in that Mac's are a packaged product and HDD's have to go through rigorous testing to be in a Mac etc, but still HDD's are user replaceable consumables and as Seandroid rightly pointed out, notoriously unreliable. You also have to realise that there only about 6 factories making 95% of all hard drives so whether it's PC or mac it's not the computers (or computer manufaturers fault) that a HDD failed.
If anyone remembers the terrible issues that IBM had with their deskstar (aka Deathstar) HDD's that were installed in ever major brand computer out there at one point then you know what I mean.
And having said that, I still to this day am a little reticent to buy a western digital drive as they went through a period of absolutely terrible products int terms of inexplicably dead drives.
Blaming Apple for a HDD failure, is like blaming Mercedes for the fact that one of your Goodyear tires went flat.
@Fledz - I agree and don't agree. I know what you mean overall, but GPU requirements aside, MOBO manufacturers are slanted in most designs decisions due to the popularity of the PC gaming market. Mobo's are more often engineered to give priority to the GPU bus, add on useless things (for audio) that you pay extra for (like allowances for insane overclocking options, extra or increased fan options/internal cooling support for those GPU's, On-board audio that pro audio users end up paying for just to later disable it in the bios to use their soundcard etc).
The other and more problematic issue is that all gaming hardware (anf therefore a lot of just normal PC hardware) is obsessively benchmarked to gaming criteria, which for the reasons stated above, have little to no baring on specs for audio usage. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| gaming computers always sacrifice anything for video performance. Always a bad option for audio. Games are also for dorks. |
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| Fledz |
That argument is becoming irrelevant for most people though because of the speed of the processors. Before you know it, it won't even matter.
Of course it's important to a handful of guys like you and L4C who need the extreme processing power, but most people won't see the difference. You'd be surprised at how good the top end MOBOs are these days when paired with a good i7 CPU. Sure there will be a bit of tweaking at the start but it's not that much work. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
that is the thing,
i don't need huge cpu. That isn't where the kink is. Stability really is the number aim. Doesn't need to be quiet as i have a computer room that is soundproofed. I actually have a ventilation system i made that pumps hot air from there straight to my head. |
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| Anakratis |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Yeah, it was entirely due to the fans. The Antecs are very well-built, but the fans in all the ones I've used have been unbearably loud and could actually be heard in all of my recordings. Before I replaced the case last year, I stuck a mic in the middle of the room and recorded the ambient noise, then moved everything into the Lian-Li and did the same thing at the same settings. I should dig that A/B recording up and post it - the difference is astounding. |
Why not just buy new fans? :crazy: |
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| Anakratis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
that is the thing,
i don't need huge cpu. That isn't where the kink is. Stability really is the number aim. Doesn't need to be quiet as i have a computer room that is soundproofed. I actually have a ventilation system i made that pumps hot air from there straight to my head. |
I'm also building a new system, and I'd recommend taking a look at the Z68 GIGABYTE mobos and the i5 2500k processor. <---Good snuff right thar...i think. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| well the mac has been running 2 days problem free. Fingers crossed. |
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Blaming Apple for a HDD failure, is like blaming Mercedes for the fact that one of your Goodyear tires went flat. |
So what you are saying is that we can't blame Apple for any technical issue/problems you can encounter with their product just because, as L4C said already, they are not producing any of their hardware anymore – This doesn't make sense.
Apple guaranty covers any hardware failure with in a particular time limit (1 year to 3 years) and doesn't exclude any specific type of part from it.
And yes I would blame Saab (lol use to have this car and sold it because of technical problems with it) if my Mitsubishi turbo want out after 2 years – they are ultimately responsible for putting their logo on the final assembly product (and let me tell you this use to be great car in 80's and 90's)
I guess, that was is for my argument, I let other people express their opinion.
Thanks,
Darek |
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| Anakratis |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceLover007
So what you are saying is that we can't blame Apple for any technical issue/problems you can encounter with their product just because, as L4C said already, they are not producing any of their hardware anymore – This doesn't make sense.
Apple guaranty covers any hardware failure with in a particular time limit (1 year to 3 years) and doesn't exclude any specific type of part from it.
And yes I would blame Saab (lol use to have this car and sold it because of technical problems with it) if my Mitsubishi turbo want out after 2 years – they are ultimately responsible for putting their logo on the final assembly product (and let me tell you this use to be great car in 80's and 90's)
I guess, that was is for my argument, I let other people express their opinion.
Thanks,
Darek |
Adding to this, cars and tires are two different things.
In other words, if you bought a brand new computer from...let's say, HP or Dell, it too would have parts from multiple origins. If something doesn't work, you complain straight to HP, and it's their duty to fix it. As TL007 said, if they put their logo over something, they are responsible for it. |
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| Fledz |
They are responsible for it of course, we're just making the point that they don't actually manufacture any of those components. People think they do and pay more, but they don't.
HDDs fail, it happens. There's nothing you can do there. |
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| TranceLover007 |
They are simply become, as I call them, "Lego" manufacturing which pack all of those different component from around the world and stick their own logo on it lol, but as long as they use that logo on any product they assemble, they need to guarante it, simmple as 2+2.
Cheers,
Darek |
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