Originally posted by Fledz
They are responsible for it of course, we're just making the point that they don't actually manufacture any of those components. People think they do and pay more, but they don't.
HDDs fail, it happens. There's nothing you can do there.
No one ever said that Apple manufactures the HDD. Builder builds; if something breaks, you blame the builder. Simple as that.
Now did that somebody get a bad HDD? Definitely. But point is, Apple should stick to manufacturing their own parts. With this fact evaded, I don't understand why Apple is charging an insane amount for equal parts. Might as well get a flabby motherboard with Windows Vista tainted all over it and call it good.
Concluding this argument, Apple SHOULD NOT be charging for something that isn't worth that much. They throw in the same components as any PC and charge more for it because of the shiny case and operating system? And also claim it's stable? F*** that.
TranceLover007
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Originally posted by Fledz
.......... they don't actually manufacture any of those components. People think they do and pay more, but they don't.
+1 exacely my point, I have no idea why???
Cheers,
Darek
Looney4Clooney
because part for part, it actually costs that much.
try buying a logic board from 2009. 1000$
Power supply : 300
CPUS from 2009 still 800 for the 2.8 quad x 2
they are obviously more expensive because they are made to macs specs but I think that is what makes it more expensive as less are made. But that is also why macs tend to have less issues.
But you can sell your mac pro from 2008 for 1200 US easily. I mean the next day.THe value of a 3 year old PC is 0. It is really astonishing really. I just couldn't spent that on electronics that old but weird enough people do.
Anakratis
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
because part for part, it actually costs that much.
try buying a logic board from 2009. 1000$
Power supply : 300
CPUS from 2009 still 800 for the 2.8 quad x 2
they are obviously more expensive because they are made to macs specs but I think that is what makes it more expensive as less are made. But that is also why macs tend to have less issues.
But you can sell your mac pro from 2008 for 1200 US easily. I mean the next day.THe value of a 3 year old PC is 0. It is really astonishing really. I just couldn't spent that on electronics that old but weird enough people do.
Back then, when Mac had their own parts, sure. Why not. But now, everything is made using third-party pieces. A logic board won't come save you if the HDD or Intel CPU fails.
TranceLover007
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
because part for part, it actually costs that much.
try buying a logic board from 2009. 1000$
Power supply : 300
CPUS from 2009 still 800 for the 2.8 quad x 2
they are obviously more expensive because they are made to macs specs but I think that is what makes it more expensive as less are made. But that is also why macs tend to have less issues.
But you can sell your mac pro from 2008 for 1200 US easily. I mean the next day.THe value of a 3 year old PC is 0. It is really astonishing really. I just couldn't spent that on electronics that old but weird enough people do.
Lol man, I let Mac guys worry about those prices, I will worry about my PC which serve me well so far.
Look at this problem from different perspective, how many places you can get certified repair for Mac??? or from how many independent places you can buy certified Apple parts??? ---> you cut supply and you create demand and you can set prices the way you like it lol - simple business strategy lol, I love those guys!!!!
Cheers,
Darek
Anakratis
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Originally posted by TranceLover007
Lol man, I let Mac guys worry about those prices, I will worry about my PC which serve me well so far.
Look at this problem from different perspective, how many places you can get certified repair for Mac??? or from how many independent places you can buy certified Apple parts??? ---> you cut supply and you create demand and you can set prices the way you like it lol - simple business strategy lol, I love those guys!!!!
Cheers,
Darek
Agreed. The Mac system is a monopoly and should be fixed. Hell, I purchased an OSX 10.4 disc from eBay and it was immediately closed and claimed as infringement. I never got my item. Now that, is the point of ridiculousness.
Fledz
It's marketing. Apple made people believe that they are paying more for a premium product, when in fact they aren't. How many of the hipster douchebags at any cafe around a university with a Mac actually know that all the components are the same ? Almost none of them.
It's marketing. Apple has been the king of marketing in the last decade. It's one of the reasons why any marketing student covers off Apple and the iPod in like the first two lectures of a semester.
TranceLover007
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Originally posted by Fledz
It's marketing. Apple made people believe that they are paying more for a premium product, when in fact they aren't. How many of the hipster douchebags at any cafe around a university with a Mac actually know that all the components are the same ? Almost none of them.
It's marketing. Apple has been the king of marketing in the last decade. It's one of the reasons why any marketing student covers off Apple and the iPod in like the first two lectures of a semester.
Well said for closing statement man, agree completely.
Cheers,
Darek
Seandroid
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Originally posted by Anakratis
Agreed. The Mac system is a monopoly and should be fixed. Hell, I purchased an OSX 10.4 disc from eBay and it was immediately closed and claimed as infringement. I never got my item. Now that, is the point of ridiculousness.
That has nothing to do with Apple.
For 's sake, Apple doesn't even put DRM on their disks. With Windows, you get ONE license and it's like $300 for a full copy. With Mac OS X disks, you were supposed to buy the family pack to install on up to 5 computers, but Apple never put anything on the single license to prevent you from installing it on as many computers as you wanted. Worked totally on the honour system.
"It's all marketing." Hogwash. Apple doesn't advertise any more than any other damn computer company. They just happen to make good products that people actually wind up liking. They practically never do product placement in movies, they don't hire celebrities to use their products in music videos like Monster...
I specc'd out a Dell Desktop to the same specs as my iMac with the same display and it came out to more money... Apple's Mac Pros are over priced yes, but their iMacs and stuff aren't. The actual display panel alone in my iMac retails for over $1000, I have a 3.4ghz quad core i7, 1GB GPU, 8GB of RAM, terabyte HDD... my computer is a beast, and to buy that OEM (and you'd be stupid to for the RAM since you can replace it yourself) it was only around $2800 CAD. Take the display out of that and you're at $1800 which is totally acceptable, now think about the fact that it's all built into one case and Apple has to order custom parts and put everything together in a completely different way from most PCs in order to fit it behind the display the way they do, and the price is even more justifiable. All in one PCs from EVERY OEM, not just Apple are expensive. In fact, more expensive. Dell/Gateway/Sony actually don't even try to compete with Apple price wise.
Plus you get a bluetooth keyboard, mouse, 720P HD webcam included, and the iLife software on every Mac which to purchase equivalents for Windows would be hundreds of dollars.
Apple needs to fix the Mac Pro situation though. Way too expensive.
The only reason anybody "hates" Apple is they like to be contrarians and hate whatever is popular.
Fledz
Did I not mention the iPod? Apple would be nowhere without it. Nowhere. Go back and research the iPod, then tell me they never advertised it, gave it to celebrities and so on. Apple is a brand, they don't just put out computers. I love how selective you can all be with your arguments because we're talking about computers. The point is that Apples overall success is linked with their brand image from a decade ago with the initial launches of the iPod and then the iPhone, not with the 5 colour Macs and then subsequent unibody aluminium laptops.
If you're interested, go read about Havaianas and how marketing and product positioning affects a brand.
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Originally posted by Seandroid
All in one PCs from EVERY OEM, not just Apple are expensive. In fact, more expensive. Dell/Gateway/Sony actually don't even try to compete with Apple price wise.
That's because nobody is stupid enough to have a pre-built PC made for them unless they actually want to physically be raped with a large stick. Those companies don't compete with Apple because a 13 year old can buy parts for a PC and put them together for much less money than any major brand like Dell, HP, IBM, Apple etc.
Anyway...
Do none of you remember this? It is brilliant marketing.
Anakratis
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Originally posted by Seandroid
The actual display panel alone in my iMac retails for over $1000
LOLWUT
Where did you get these numbers? Explain why I should care between buying an Apple LED 1440p monitor for $1000, or a very good Samsung 27" 1440p LED monitor, which is around $729 brand new. This just doesn't make sense. I couldn't give a if Apple priced their monitor at $1000, which I will NEVER buy. It's not any better than any other LED monitor.
Adding to how crappy the iMac is, what if something fails? What if something simply takes a poo, like a USB port? Your ENTIRE monitor/computer needs to checked on by Apple. You need to drag your entire monitor to the nearest Apple Store, all for them to fix a faulty USB port. With any Windows build, you could simply RMA the motherboard, or swap out the faulty card. Complete waste of time and money.
Also, I don't know where you are buying these things OEM, but your calculations of 1800 CAD is simply invalid. Combining an i7 CPU, with a measly 1GB GPU, 8GB of RAM and a 1TB HDD DOES NOT equal 1800. Try making this combo up on Newegg, and then have your mind blown.
Apple products are not any better than any other Win7 build on the market right now, and why they are charging double for them? Basically, the OS. It's a joke.
Beatflux
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Originally posted by Seandroid
The only reason anybody "hates" Apple is they like to be contrarians and hate whatever is popular.
