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What is the status of current label situation on the music market? (pg. 4)
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
…….Right now they function as a middle man that just harvests money from artists and barely preforms a service in return. When you sign to one of these labels you are basically saying "Here, make money off |
Sounded like we are on the same page man, this is exactly who I want to eliminate, the “middle man”.
Structure should be very simple, you create good quality production, you master it, you create your own graphic for it and then will go on the web for sell. Every artist is bringing more followers with him/her to this site, more traffic we generate, more exposure we will create for all of ours artists.
Product could be price very reasonable, let say $0.99 per song (192 WAV file or could be 320) and 70% of that goes directly to artist who is actively working himself to promote his product and at the same time bringing more traffic to this website, pure, clean and independent and I think that from the moment people will find out that this structure is completely new and innovative on the market, they will (I really hope so) support this idea big time.
Is this sound too good?
Cheers, |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
It is no longer realistic to expect any kind of substantial income from record sales alone. ( |
it is. There is more potential now than there ever has been in the recording industry, There is more money in the industry than there ever has been. The cut the artist gets is more than it ever has been. There seems to be this myth that people are not making money. They are. Alot aren't. Those types would be working or should be working at Guitar Centre.
And yes, if you are an underground EDM producer, you won't be making money. But you are just as marketable as like some indy band that caters to like over weight lesbians. Deadmau5 could retire off his sales and licensing alone and live like a king. And he isn't pop. He would be in the same boat as like niche genres that sell well but not like say Gaga or Ke%^$&$h#a,.
Just from remixes of pop hits , people like Gartner, relatively small potatoes in the grand scheme of the industry can live very well.
There is money. If you don't see it, it is because you A: suck B : need a better manager.
The issue is that nobody wants to buy your . Not that there are not people interested in buying music they like. And people confuse this with not being able to make money of sales alone. You can. People do. And it will only grow,. It is ridiculous how much money there will be in say 5 years.
It seems we just had this argument. IF you only sell on Beatport, you will never make a dime. Beatport is not relevant in any way. It is so small. It reaches a such a small demograph.Beatport is a joke. So ya, if you are only selling on beatport, you will not make a living. But people seem to think this is the nexus of dance music production. Secondly, stop selling to djs. This is the biggest mistake every single producer seems to make. They pretty much cut off 99% of their possible sales. Djs don't matter. You need to sell to normal people. If that involves using say a name dj, then sure a dj might help but actually selling to djs ? there is no money there. |
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| meriter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Deadmau5 could retire off his sales and licensing alone and live like a king. |
only because he got on a stage wearing a funny hat
If you started doing this like, 10 or 15 years ago I could see how you can earn a living off sales, being an established artist |
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| Looney4Clooney |
Skrillex started when ?
Porter Robinson ?
Mord Fustang ?
Justice ?
Deadmau5 made music that was not too bad, he had a name, an image , a brand you could market. And ya, when you are ugly as , why would you want to put your face on the cover.
it takes most aritsts that make it about 3- 4 years to start seeing dividends. IF you haven't made it in 8 , it wasn't meant to be. That doenst mean you should stop. But don't expect to make a living or a comfortable one. |
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| Storyteller |
| I agree with Clooney. There is plenty of money to be made. Just dare to and do stand out. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
stand out |
That's the kicker right there. |
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| TranceLover007 |
So, from your guys perspective, this whole new idea would work??
Cheers. |
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| Kysora |
| Your idea hinges on the "producer actively promotes himself" part, which is something a lot of people have no idea how to do effectively. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
Your idea hinges on the "producer actively promotes himself" part, which is something a lot of people have no idea how to do effectively. |
It's my experience that most producers couldn't be arsed to promote themselves and expect it to be part of the label package. They're all too busy talking bollocks on Facebook. |
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
It's my experience that most producers couldn't be arsed to promote themselves and expect it to be part of the label package. They're all too busy talking bollocks on Facebook. |
lol, this sounds about right lol, I know few of them lol,
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
Your idea hinges on the "producer actively promotes himself" part, which is something a lot of people have no idea how to do effectively. |
Not really, as long as they bring those follower which they already have, then they don't have to do anything special beside do whatever they where doing in order to have those followers in first place.
Look at the way FaceBook did that or achieve it, they started with e-mail to their friends in school, then they move to another one using that new group of people for distribution/contacting another school and on, and on......
Maybe sounds complicated but media information distribution can do miracle and spreads very quickly a specially about something new and interesting, at least I think this way!!!
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Deadmau5 made music that was not too bad, he had a name, an image , a brand you could market. And ya, when you are ugly as , why would you want to put your face on the cover.
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Seal is an exception.
Almost every EDM artist has the same serious douchebag picture.
Why so serious?
If you make party music, maybe look like the life of the party rather than a chin stroking douche? |
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| Normie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Seal is an exception.
Almost every EDM artist has the same serious douchebag picture.
Why so serious?
If you make party music, maybe look like the life of the party rather than a chin stroking douche? |
Step outside the 'musical box' for a moment. Think like a PR/Ad guy. You are selling a product. You want that product to appeal to your target market. That market has preconcieved notions as to what is 'cool' expected acceptable etc.
When you see a laundry detergent commercial, you've watched mom in the laundry room with a smile and a little kid on her leg happily smiling through the virtues of Tide and how it's a revolution in clothes cleaning.
When you think of action movies, it's Arnie or Matt Damon or whoever with high tech goodies kicking loads of ass and saving the Princess.
The people making those products do certain things since thats what the market expects. Douchbag looking EDM dudes and Wannabee gangsta rapper thug life 4EvEr YO! idiots are an image created to sell a certain brand of 'cool'. The aloof EDM DJ type is one. The Blinged out rap punk is another. The Black soul diva, the dreadlocked jamacian Dub Ragga guy... they are archetypes of the genres.
And PR markets them as 'cool' And PR depts say if you do not conform of one of their test marketed and co-opted creations, you suck.
The industry has developed these 'models' of cool and spent years and billions of dollars ingraining them into the public conscience.
Not saying that's good, just an attempt at explaining 'why so serious." |
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