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What is the status of current label situation on the music market? (pg. 7)
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| Normie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
Might want to give some numbers. How many of these people are out there making 100k with a nice health insurance policy? A few thousand? Couple tens of thousands? Out of how many tens of millions chasing the same dream? Sure it can be done but the odds are pretty terrible. So for most the advice "you will not make a living from this" is definitely the most likely outcome.
Not talking about people that work as mastering engineers or whatever. Just artists. |
It is true that the vast majority who pursue a dream. whether it's as a musician or a mechanic will fail. Mostly because they don't put the required work/study into what it is they actually want to do, are inflexible or go in with wholly unrealistic expectations after hearing all the 'good points' and ignoring the bad.
Like any other endeavor involving pursuit of success, you need a plan, but most think it's all partying and getting stoned/having fun while producing or working on Top Fuel dragsters instead of 72 Pintos.
In either event, there's no guarantee of success, but if you start of with no plan, no knowledge of the job at hand and no clue, success isn't likely to follow outside of a stroke of pure luck. |
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| Vector A |
It's not just that "people often fail," it's that the ratio of success to failure in music (and other arts) is much, much lower than in other fields. If you just want a $100,000 salary, be an electrical engineer. I think a bit more than 1 in 10,000 people who try that end up getting it.
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
It's not just that "people often fail," it's that the ratio of success to failure in music (and other arts) is much, much lower than in other fields. If you just want a $100,000 salary, be an electrical engineer. I think a bit more than 1 in 10,000 people who try that end up getting it.
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The difference is that you can't be an untrained electrical engineer, be at being an electrical engineer and still realistically dream of being an electrical engineer.
There's a lot of 'producers' out there making some really appalling music wondering why they haven't been snapped up by Armada (or whatever) yet. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
It's not just that "people often fail," it's that the ratio of success to failure in music (and other arts) is much, much lower than in other fields. If you just want a $100,000 salary, be an electrical engineer. I think a bit more than 1 in 10,000 people who try that end up getting it.
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The difference is that you can't be an untrained electrical engineer, be at being an electrical engineer and still realistically dream of being an electrical engineer.
There's a lot of 'producers' out there making some really appalling music wondering why they haven't been snapped up by Armada (or whatever) yet. |
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| Normie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
It's not just that "people often fail," it's that the ratio of success to failure in music (and other arts) is much, much lower than in other fields. If you just want a $100,000 salary, be an electrical engineer. I think a bit more than 1 in 10,000 people who try that end up getting it.
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Yea but look at the actual talent involved ;) Musicians fail in greater numbers because every kid with cracked FL/Massive thinks he's Skrillex and considers himself 'a musician'. Then they enter heretofore unheard of realms of suck, get laughed at on forums and turn Emo.
Most engineers actually study and work at it. Most self professed 'musicians' get on Gearslutz and compare penis size. That 'might' have a bit to do with it ;) |
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| Normie |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
The difference is that you can't be an untrained electrical engineer, be at being an electrical engineer and still realistically dream of being an electrical engineer.
There's a lot of 'producers' out there making some really appalling music wondering why they haven't been snapped up by Armada (or whatever) yet. |
How many of these kids actually put any 'real' effort into being a musician today? When you simply pirate all your software, rather than make a financial commitment to buying it because 'well, I dunno if I'm gonna stick with it..."
In the past, you had to spend money...big money on a synth/sampler. That in itself kept out the punks. In High school in the 80s, we all wanted guitars. A hand full of us actually bought one and an amp. Most just talked about it. Today, they just torrent everything, claim to me musicians to get laid, assemble a 'construction kit' at best and 2 weeks later move on to a new fad...thus a 'failed musician' driven out of the industry over lack of immediate superstardom.
At least that sure seems to be how it works today. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
Might want to give some numbers. How many of these people are out there making 100k with a nice health insurance policy? A few thousand? Couple tens of thousands? Out of how many tens of millions chasing the same dream? Sure it can be done but the odds are pretty terrible. So for most the advice "you will not make a living from this" is definitely the most likely outcome.
Not talking about people that work as mastering engineers or whatever. Just artists. |
probably 1 %
and ya, most people suck but don't realize it. And then they whine. You need to be able to look at your skill and talent objectively. most people that suck just don't realize it. and that is kinda why they suck in the first place. They lack that critical filter that stops good producers form doing something ty.
I could go thru each person on hear, hear 30 seconds of their music and how long the've been doing it and tell them whether they have a shot just in the skill department. Then there is the luck department which unfortunately i'm not psychic. I dont know what it is. PEople that are succesful just have this thing. I'm not gonna use the term x factor but ya, there is just something.
I think anyone can, but most people do not have the work ethic. My work ethic was basically, do 4 hours. ok, there are people better than me, 5 hours,. basically, I would judge my progress and just work harder knowing that i just needed to be somewhere. I was doing 8 hours every day at age 13-18. And i really do mean every day. But it was a choice, i noticed how good the pros were , i assessed how good I was, and compensated how hard I tried. That is the thing, anyone can do it. Spend 10 hours every day doing music for 10 years. I mean you cna't be a complete knobhead but say like a average talented guy, for example Seandroid, he could make it if he just put the hours in. He has that base talent which really doesn't have to be that high. Then you need the skill which you will get and last but most important, you need to have a reference of what has been done and what hasn't. But this is something that can be learned. Style is something you can work on.
When you look at most EDM producers that make a living. They really aren't particularly talented. They just put the time in. Some are clearly gifted but most are really just average but worked hard. I mean Deadmau5 makes great music but he isn't really some sort of talent where you wonder how the did that happen. You can tell he just spent the time. HE would say so himself that he is completely average. But average is good enough. It is really the learning that takes place that counts. Talent is overated in terms of like those that have a predisposition at say music that seems abnormal. You don't need to be really really talented. You ned to be really really hungry. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
probably 1 %
and ya, most people suck but don't realize it. And then they whine. You need to be able to look at your skill and talent objectively. most people that suck just don't realize it. and that is kinda why they suck in the first place. They lack that critical filter that stops good producers form doing something ty.
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A reference track would help a lot of people here. It can be much more objective and helpful. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
how would that help ?
It would just start a taste argument. |
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| Normie |
| quote: | [i][b]
I think anyone can, but most people do not have the work ethic. My work ethic was basically, do 4 hours. ok, there are people better than me, 5 hours,. basically, I would judge my progress and just work harder knowing that i just needed to be somewhere. I was doing 8 hours every day at age 13-18. And i really do mean every day. But it was a choice |
Couldn't agree more. In guitar land, look at my hero, Steve Vai. Virtuoso guitarist that spent 10+ hours a day (16 at some points according to him) and basically abandoned his teenage years to the instrument. He's in his 50s and STILL puts in over 6 hrs a day.
He wanted something more than anything else and worked hard until he got it. He wasn't born capable of playing something like the Zappa stuff or "For the Love of God". |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
how would that help ?
It would just start a taste argument. |
Each person needs to figure out how they want their to sound, then compare their work to reference tracks for whatever aspect they care about. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
yes.
But you need to compare many things. One is quality and skill but another is that you aren't doing the same thing. It should be an automatic reaction that if someone did something, you don't do it. Like if you are working on a track, and you have this sound, then a new tracjk comes out before yours and has the same thing, you change your track.
That is why it is good to listen to lots of music so you have an idea what is being done. Otherwise you are like making a product without knowing what is already out there. Like selling amphetmaine when the guy next store is selling methamphetamine, His word is longer. Altho the cute little pictures maybe make it easier to sell. If i pressed a pill, it would have the star of david. Hey guys, are these pills ty or am i just racist. See i make the kids think about real social problems like racism while i rot their brain. Or mohammed. 10% sales go to some terror group. But wait , isn't dealing allready terror ? see these pills would blow their minds. No reason why you can't learn while you are killing your brain. |
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