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What is the status of current label situation on the music market? (pg. 8)
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| Raphie |
L4C, There is no money in making EDM, there is money in it's ecosystem.
Samplepacks and preset libraries + services is where it is at.
The question was not if there is money to be made in broadcast or jingles. As EDM artist in Beatport selling tracks you make jack-.
So you can get all cosy and personal again. but it's simply maths.... |
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| Looney4Clooney |
lol
the sample library think made me laugh.
And like i said, beatport is irrelevant. there is money in EDM. EDM != beatport. Deadmau5 4x4 = 12 sold 80 000 copies in canada alone. Bieber sold ........... 3 times more. You do the math. If you think people don't want to buy dance music or that people are not buying it already , you are an idiot. THis is Canada, a country with no dance scene to speak of and Biebers home turf. That doesn't count singles either. So there is already lots of money and the potential is ing huge. The biggest problem with dance right now is that peopel don't know what to buy. A big part of that are the djs. Podcasts with no tracklist or a tracklist with no actual way to really know what track is playing. Djs need to start imbedding their ing tracklists. This should be the convention and if you don't do it, you get blacklisted. If people actually had a way to access the music, the sales would be ridiculous. Not for everyone. not for you, not for Butler and his sheizer techno but for people that make EDM that is good, has a hook and i mean if you actually did have vocals, your sales would double but deadmau5 all things considered is pretty underground. And he is trailing the biggest pop star arguably by a third. And yes, licensing is always part of the equation., we are talking about money right?
Skrillex independant release sold ...... 500 000 copies in USA alone.
Justice's debut, T has sold over 1 000 000 . This is albums. not singles.
LMFOA get crazy , guess how much they made from licensing for being jersey shore's theme track, i mean its ing nutters.
Loud by Rihanna sold 240 000 copies in Canada. sure alot more than what ive mentioned but rihanna is Vivendi's cash cow in terms of music. Vivendi. The biggest ing label on the planet. Now compare this to the above mentioned releases with 0 media exposure, 0 marketing , compared to millions of dollars for rihanna. If this doens't ing click in your head, I don't know what else to say. People are actually wondering how the this is happening. I mentioned a colleague that works for marketing at sony, they have meeting to try and understand how the EDM is making the money it is with absolutely no ing overhead. They don't want to sign EDM, they want to understand how the underground artists with no financial capital are making this sort of money.
So ya , Raphie, just shut up. And for s and giggles, guess how much say um i don't know the average loopmasters sample library sells. You have no ing idea. it is funny and sad. If you thought djs were a small demograph, well guess what , producers, even smaller and guess who pirates more than anyone else % wise ------ producers. The audio scene you think makes money is actually the part of the scene that is suffering financially the most in that piracy is just killing their revenue.
These are all nobodies that seemed to make a load of sales. There is money in EDM. |
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| Storyteller |
Lol indeed. Raphie you're doing the wrong math. It is flawed because every EDM producer markets itself to the worng market, mostly dj's and Beatport (which your post confirms). That's not where the money is at all, nor is it the market a label should aim for. Unfortunately they all do.
The problem of "there is no money in edm" is a result of the closed mindset and tunnelvision of small time labels and producers. The only reason they're not making is because they think that's it and don't know how to aim for higher ground. Dj's are the easiest market to break into. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| they don't even count beatport for certifications. Beatport accounts for so little of actual sales it is funny. Selling to djs is like selling diapers to fetish adults in their 30s. Wrong ing demograph. But i've been saying the same narritive for so long, the EDM scene for the most part is run by complete idiots. Beatport is more a scam than a source of income. |
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| Raphie |
Yeah guys A list artist make money, there is always the happy few. (with gigs)but that's pop mainstream music. Deadmau5 is at the top of the DJ foodchain.
for 99.9% of the mortals there is no money in producing with the sole purpose to make money on beatport.
The topic was can you as one of the millions of producers make money on beatport releasing your stuff the answer is still no.
so twist and turn it all you like, but with selling 1.000 copies a month, which is good and far from the level ANY of us is at, you still get a statement that barely makes a 100$ which is pocket money..... |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you don't seem to understand the A lists you talk about are the pros. The others are like indy band status. Ya indy bands don't make money either. The point is that these A lists are underground EDM acts when they started. You are absolutely right, 99% of people will not make money but that is because 99% of EDM releases are absolute that would never see the light of day let alone a vinyl cutter in 2000. So ya, you have no not suck. Is that a tough cookie to swallow ?
and it isn't pop. They didn't go about it in any way that resembles pop. And that is why labels are freaking out. Because they had to invest millions to get a return when some ex meth head kid from toronto that is too ugly to show on TV is actually beating some of their pop artists. Rihanna's studio budget compared to deadmau5 budget ? i mean his budget is so small it is making the labels nervous because they get nervous when they can't 'predict these things. I mean the guy mastered his own produced in a bedroom. Bieber had the best engineers , song writers and the budget and marketing was in the millions. YOu cna't call something with no ing lyrics pop. Deadmaut5 is EDM and people bought in.
But lets talk about nobodies.
These are names nobody knows for the most part in the pop scene making lots and lots of cash.
Tyas
Gartner
Avicii
beatport is farm league. Stop talking about it. That is not where people sell. For the third ing time. |
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| Raphie |
L4C please loose the attitude, everybody understands what your saying, but it's just so obvious. you don't need to tell the obvious.
The question was should the avg (or mediocre) producer have his hopes up on making money on Beatport the answer is no.
Every now and then a talent is discovered, things come together with the right efforts and miracles happen. But for 99.999999% of the people releasing on beatport this is NOT the case, so please stop twittering on about how A list artist make money EVERYBODY understands that. It just makes you sound so DUMB............. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
Does the average person make a living ?
really ? You actually ponder this question ?
The average person makes music nobody but their grandmother would buy.
They aren't really part of the music industry.
I sound dumb ? really ? If this is so ing obvious, why do all your posts lean the other ing way. The term A list is idiotic. There are people that sell, and people that dont. 99% of people on Beatport should not be selling. They aren't part of the music industry. They are the same as that ty band that plays at the pay to play nightclubs. ya , they aren't professionals and of course they aren't making money. And beatport doesn't make money period. Nobody makes money on beatoprt. Not even the A listers as you say. Beatport is so ing small. But that is where common sense comes into play and you think , hmmm where to most peple get their music, itunes, maybe i will sell my music where 99.999% of consumers actually buy it. Rocket science |
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| Storyteller |
| Sigh. Honestly I agree with L4C on the majority of things on this subject. Guess I'm dumb too. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| the most annoying thing is that the system is broken and people are making this money. Ifr people actually had access to eDM, the numbers would be exponentially higher. People that wine about the money are people like you. The hacks like you that get signed but don't sell because their product is not sellable. |
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| Raphie |
You guys confuse opinion with facts. We all agree that 99% of the people should not even bother to release. no argument there, but that does not change the fact that you and I, or in fact anyone on this forum makes more than pocket money from releasing Beatport. ST you're working on some online initiatives, which, if they work out, might give you way to make money on the EDM ecosystem, Tehlord is releasing sylenth banks, which gives him 100x more return per unit sold than a track on beatport.
I have my studio services which pay better as well.
so no need to explain why people don't make money, Beatport would be pretty empty with only a small number of exceptional artists...... |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| you are the person giving opinion. I've given you plenty of numbers. Yes, you aren't making money because you suck. Deal with that. THat isn't the system. ANd yes, beatport needs to get rid of 99% of the tracks they sell. |
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