look.In terms of the album compared to what has been done, ya , it is really average at best. The only reason I would reach for bad is that they had the resources and money to do it right. If an unkown 20 year old producer made it, and that is who stale the performances are on it that it actually sounds like everything was done with sample librairies, i would say , not bad, but established artists hiring the caliber of musicians they did, ya terrible.
Will people enjoy it, probably. Just like most people will probably enjoy hanz zimmer over wagner. But Hanz Zimmer's music has a functional purpose and his music is good not because it sounds goo but because it works and fulfills the purpose well.
I never made a claim people won't like it. People like Beiber. Is he terrible ? Yup.
srussell0018
So you're saying that all music has to sound better than its predecessors in order to be considered "good"?
You don't like the album, you're not convincing anyone that it's "bad" just because you don't like it, so what was the point of this thread?
And I really don't understand why you keep bringing up Hans Zimmer. I guess it's another strawman argument, trying to say that anyone who likes this album likes Hans Zimmer over Tchaikovsky, Beethoven, Mahler, etc. Nobody has said this, and most likely nobody thinks this.
Hans Zimmer is very good at what he does, just like Daft Punk is. By itself, sure, he doesn't compare to the greats, and Daft Punk's might not compare to your idea of the greats in the funk genre, but that doesn't mean it's "bad".
Looney4Clooney
no. I am saying this offers nothing new. It tries to do something that has already been done and does it poorly. That to me is the definition of bad art.
I posted because this is amerrica
And you really missed my point regarding Hanz Zimmer. HAnz Zimmer is great at scoring. BUt the music on its on is terrible. Daft Punk's new album in the context it should be judged is terrible. Two very different things. HZ is very good at what he does and what he does is scoring. Not making music for listening on its own. Daft punk made this album to listen on its own. And it is quite poor.
srussell0018
Okay, so are you trying to convince people to not like the album?
Looney4Clooney
nope.
I'm defending my initial post. Thats it. You are the ones trying to convince me i'm wrong. THis could of really just been rhetorical but you were the first person actually to just say nope, i'm wrong.
I gave my 2 cents. And everything else has been people trying to convince me i'm wrong, and me stating again the reasons why i thought what i thought and how you should probably substantiate your posts by attacking the actual things i said.
you do realize this is s ing music forum right ? ing bat crazy that you have people opining on music.
Beatflux
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Originally posted by srussell0018
Dude, it's a movie soundtrack. It worked well with the specific movie. I don't really understand with your thinking that a MOVIE soundtrack didn't fit your taste as a LISTENING album. Therefore it makes it a bad soundtrack. There's quite a few spectacular soundtracks that aren't "listening music".
And listening to 2 songs and judging an entire album by it is incredibly stupid, no matter how you try to justify your reasoning.
The book analogy is just idiotic, so I'm not going to bother responding to that.
Have you heard many original songs like that in OST's?
People made a big deal out of it because it was two people creating the soundtrack for an entire movie, which isn't common.
It's not like it was Hans Zimmer composing a soundtrack with a full orchestra.
People were buying it after the fact, praising as good listening music. Except for Derezzed it wasn't.
It could have been one person who did the soundtrack, and nobody would have made a big deal. It was the name that got the OST attention. It's right there in the video, Daft Punk was cameoed....how much more of a marketing ploy do you need to see that the name attracted attetion.
srussell0018
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
nope.
I'm defending my initial post. Thats it. You are the ones trying to convince me i'm wrong. THis could of really just been rhetorical but you were the first person actually to just say nope, i'm wrong.
I gave my 2 cents. And everything else has been people trying to convince me i'm wrong, and me stating again the reasons why i thought what i thought and how you should probably substantiate your posts by attacking the actual things i said.
you do realize this is s ing music forum right ? ing bat crazy that you have people opining on music.
So you started a thread (for discussion) just to give your 2 cents. A rhetorical thread. Brilliant.
And I don't think anybody is saying you're wrong. People are saying they liked it, which is in opposition to you not liking it, but nobody is saying you're wrong.
srussell0018
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Originally posted by Beatflux
People were buying it after the fact, praising as good listening music. Except for Derezzed it wasn't.
It could have been one person who did the soundtrack, and nobody would have made a big deal. It was the name that got the OST attention. It's right there in the video, Daft Punk was cameoed....how much more of a marketing ploy do you need to see that the name attracted attetion.
I highly doubt they were cameoed in the movie just to sell albums or garner attention. I'm sure a good amount of people who saw the movie had no idea who they were, since it was a remake of a cheesy 80s scifi movie.
idoru
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Originally posted by srussell0018
So you started a thread (for discussion) just to give your 2 cents. A rhetorical thread. Brilliant.
Now, I don't know why this particular thread ended up the way that it has, but a lot of threads in MD and New Releases start out this way. "Hey, here's a release, here are my thoughts". Maybe it's because it's L4C who started it, or maybe it's because this album has been getting a lot of attention across the internet - either way, this type of thread is fairly standard here.
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by srussell0018
So you started a thread (for discussion) just to give your 2 cents. A rhetorical thread. Brilliant.
And I don't think anybody is saying you're wrong. People are saying they liked it, which is in opposition to you not liking it, but nobody is saying you're wrong.
your first post
"you are way off"
here is a sort of analog to this album,
say you loved rod steward, and you also loved jazz, well rod stewart decided to do his take on the american song book. It was universally panned but sold rather well to married baby boomer females.
Now why was it panned ? It was basically taking something good, and doing it worse. Nobody was expecting rod stewart to sound like his other albums. It was very clear by the title that it was a jazz album. It was just really ing bad.
This worst part is that this album has potential. I mean i thought it just sounded like a scratch mix of their ideas. But as a finished work, i mean this is like listening to rod stewart singing bewitched. It is like hearing Puff Daddy's take on the police, or Kanye's version of Daft Punk's edit of that track they pretty much ripped verbatim.
srussell0018
Right, I think you're way off in saying that it's bad. I don't have the musical background to argue with you on a point by point basis, but saying the album is "bad" is completely subjective, so there is no possible way of "proving you wrong."
Looney4Clooney
which is why i substantiated my claims. I explained why i thought it was bad. I'm way off but you can't explain why i'm way off. That is why it is rather frustrating to have to deal with your .
If you can't explain why you have a certain thought, why even bother. What could you possibly add to the discussion.
I don't understand why music is the only exception. YOu could state that dan brown is junk literature and nobody would argue. But of all the arts, for some reason music is the only one that is 100% subjective. The problem is that you have an ego and you seem to let music define you to the point that you get angry when people don't like things you like and just take it way too personal.
People that say I liked it, i can't argue with that nor would i. But you say i'm way off, you don't know why and you seem to think i'm out of order. You're out of order. say that last sentence a little more firm than the one preceding it.
