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Do you think soldiers are heroes or just byproducts of the system? (pg. 12)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| It isn't relevant in the slightest. You're not even talking about ex-soldiers, you're talking about people still in positions of power. If you do not understand how that is fundamentally removed from what this thread is about then you are so stupid I'm surprised you haven't swallowed your own tongue by now. |
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| Psyshell |
| And you think veterans aren't going to use family connections for corruption as well? If that's the sortof thing that surprises you I guess you're in for a lot more surprises in your life. I take it this thread didn't turn out the way your feeble little brain predicted? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| So... your point is that discharged Chinese soldiers living in an oppressive Communist country are going to use "family connections" to engage in corruption, and this somehow disqualifies a Canadian working in China from commenting on American society's treatment of its own veterans, all of which means... what, exactly, in regards to the original question? |
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| Psyshell |
| I felt it was a bit strange/partisan for someone to make a comment about the American military without referencing their country of residence when it's significantly different and his it's own problems in that area. Usually when I've seen a non American attack an American system it's with the implication that the system of the country they are in is better. Jay didn't really give much detail though so I probably should've dismissed it as an irrelevant throw away political comment that he's not going to back up or elaborate further on like the rest of his political comments. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
Psyshell's opinions.
prometheus.
which makes less sense? |
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| Jon_Snow |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
I think I mentioned it earlier in the thread (unless you read it and that was your lame attempt of a joke).
If not, oh well.
I'm here, not there. That's what matters. |
Sorry I don't know your life story.
It matters if you were dishonorably discharged. Besides you were supposed to fight for the people who couldn't fight for themselves. You were supposed to fight for Willie. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
I felt it was a bit strange/partisan for someone to make a comment about the American military without referencing their country of residence when it's significantly different and his it's own problems in that area. Usually when I've seen a non American attack an American system it's with the implication that the system of the country they are in is better. Jay didn't really give much detail though so I probably should've dismissed it as an irrelevant throw away political comment that he's not going to back up or elaborate further on like the rest of his political comments. |
Jay’s comment was in response to Zombie0915 saying he would “be hanged” for criticising American veterans, which carries the implication that veterans are held to an untouchable standard socially and institutionally in America. Jay’s commentary on the treatment of veterans in America highlighted how that implication is patently false. It should be perfectly obvious from the context of the discussion that Jay is not making some partisan “attack” on another country’s military apropos of nothing and neither is it a general comment. It is specifically related to one country, America, and so any situation in the country of his residence is utterly irrelevant. Furthermore, to claim that Jay should not criticise American treatment of veterans because of anything related to veterans in China is sheer whataboutery, a form of tu quoque fallacy, made all the more illogical and bizarre because he isn’t even Chinese. And even if your logic wasn’t wildly fallacious, your attempt to equate ranking military officials abusing their power in an oppressive regime with social treatment of discharged foot soldiers in another country relies on a wild extrapolation from one news story you’ve read to reach some utterly unsupported and fanciful assumption that discharged Chinese soldiers can use “family connections” for the purposes of corruption. It’s hard to even know where to start with this – this can only have any semblance of realism if you’re talking about high ranking Chinese officers who retire and continue to have influence or connections. To which there are two obvious ripostes: do you think this same process cannot and does not happen in the US, and how the could this be considered relevant to social reintegration of American combat veterans? The only answer offered is some fuzzy-logic blurring of every military issue into one gigantic national “system”, of which individual facets apparently cannot be critiqued in isolation from the whole, because that would make far too much sense.
It’s blatantly apparent that you have an ongoing grudge match with Jay because he’s insulted you on numerous occasions and you now have an over-reaching urge to try and discredit him wherever you possibly can, which has lead to you deploying a phalanx of poorly-conceived bull in his direction because you read some story about Chinese military corruption and Jay lives in China. Your whole “point” has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread and is solely about you trying to score points and attack someone you dislike. And then when you get roundly mocked from all angles for your nonsense you recourse to the standard teenage Internet defence of how we’re getting “off topic” and the thread is now being “derailed”, a classic delusional defence mechanism of people who want to roll a hand grenade of idiocy into a crowded room and walk away without facing the firing squad for their war crimes against logic and reason.
To suggest you’re remotely as intelligent as me is absolutely risible. You couldn’t analyse an argument in the way I just have if I dangled you over a lake of crocodiles with bacon wrapped round your bollocks. You were pretty ing stupid to begin with, but combined with your adolescent ignorance and the undoubted influence of psychoactive chemicals on a developing mind, you now have a brain like wet cardboard and nobody’s coming to fix the leak. |
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| Psyshell |
No actually I never said that he shouldn't critisize America. I clearly clarified above that it's a bit strange to do so without referencing his own country of residence.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You couldn’t analyse an argument in the way I just have if I dangled you over a lake of crocodiles with bacon wrapped round your bollocks. |
Yes I could with the proper training. As it stands I won't be writing essay type material for another couple of years. I'm sure there's plenty of other skills that I'm better than you at. English isn't the only thing that's important in the world.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It’s blatantly apparent that you have an ongoing grudge match with Jay because he’s insulted you on numerous occasions and you now have an over-reaching urge to try and discredit him wherever you possibly can, |
No actually that's not the case at all. I just find his grasp of argument and politics to be a bit shoddy and therefore I criticize it. He also tends to hold different positions to me so it's natural for me to commonly quote them and argue against them like in any political discussion.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
To suggest you’re remotely as intelligent as me is absolutely risible. |
The fact that you post a wall of text and yet make very obvious errors clearly displays otherwise.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
you recourse to the standard teenage Internet defence of how we’re getting “off topic” and the thread is now being “derailed” |
That was my response to halcyon and on's obvious troll post. It was not a defense at all. I do however find it somewhat annoying that people make throwaay comments without ever backing them up so it's also to suggest that I'm not going to bother with threads like this anymore. At least when certain posters post. I know pkc or halcyon & on tend to post well thought out political stuff so I'd be much more inclined to bother with them. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
so, this one time im drinking bevies on a fri night waiting for my mate to finish work. not sure if i was on the dole then or what, but gee i seemed to finish way earlier than him.
this seriously crazy christian girl i was knocking off at the time turned up at some stage. seriously crazy. seriously christian. not kidding. this chick was different.
so we get into an argument and at some stage i mention that she's an intellectual peasant.
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
I'm sure there's plenty of other skills that I'm better than you at. |
her response was along the lines of "oh yeah, well i bet i could beat you at pictionary". |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
The fact that you post a wall of text and yet make very obvious errors clearly displays otherwise.
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Yeah, all those "very obvious errors" you've failed to point out. I've explained very clearly why Jay's country of residence is completely irrelevant to discussing the acceptability of an American's comments about American veterans in America. Only a monumental cretin would find it strange. You can insist on your motives as much as you like, you're fooling nobody except yourself. |
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