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Do you think soldiers are heroes or just byproducts of the system? (pg. 7)
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| Desiderata |
What are the statistics of people coming home from Iraq with PTSD compared to those who feel entilted to being called a hero?
Up to 31 percent of soldiers returning from combat in Iraq experience depression or post-traumatic stress disorder.
And out of the remaning 69% I bet another 31% consider themselves a hero while the remaning are neutral to the situation.
You can be a hero while still being na by-product of the system. |
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| Marcus Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by pointPi
Real soldiers don't kill. They write, draw, compose, explore. Create rather than destroy. Unite rather than divide.
Those who dress up in uniforms and swing around with their guns, I cannot call them true warriors. They fight battles to obey not just orders from authorities, but gender roles too.
Patriarchy sucks. Thank goodness I don't have to join the army. |
Oh, big surprise, a cuckolded swede talking about gender roles as if it is a social construct. You don't get to rewrite the definition of something just because you are a thin skinned limp wristed feminist crying oppression. That goes for gender and the word soldier.
And as for this thread, who cares? |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| OrangestO is the new nou. Full Metal Retard. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| would of loved to play for the germans up until Operation Barbossa. Annexing is like nation s&m. I would probably sign up for 3 star general who likes to take his plane around and maybe play sniper on my time off with jewish kids at summer camp. |
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| OrangestO |
| quote: | Originally posted by wienerschnitzel
inb4 VAR |
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| Psyshell |
I think monsters would be a more accurate term in the majority of cases. I think soldiers have a responsibility to check what wars their country is involved in and has been recently and if they're involved in ones that are terrible then they're no better than a criminal mugging someone on the street. Possibly even worse since they then go on to feel like they're self righteous. With that said, a lot are naive but I think most only feel so strongly about being heroes because of nationalist reasons (like my country can do whatever it wants and is always right, etc).
| quote: | Originally posted by Silky Johnson
Fight a real ing war, like your grandparents did, and then call yourself a hero. |
QFT. Stuff like world war 2 was a defensive war against truly horrible oppression. To compare all the recent wars of cold war self interest or economic self interest to that is offensive. ing military industrial complex.
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
but I think the fact that they're risking their lives for no other reason than they were told to is pretty courageous, (or stupid, depending on how you look at it). |
Well I definitely wouldn't say it's courageous at all. If they're an adult... and they are; then they should be able to do some basic research on anything important they're doing. No one should join the military simply because their parent, schoolteacher or military recruiter told them to. The same would go for any job really, although it's a lot more important in the case of being in the military considering it's ethically hazardous nature which not many professions share.
| quote: | Originally posted by wienerschnitzel
Even if a majority of those people enlist under unfavorable circumstances, doesn't mean they are incapable of heroic acts. If a criminal enlisted to avoid jail time, gets sent overseas and then helps detonate landmines etc i still see that as being heroic. |
I'd agree if they put in an extra effort to do that beyond self interest. If their actions continued along that line merely for self interest then there's nothing heroic about them. They'd need to be interested in a military career and put in an extra effort to help others IMO.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
what a bunch of redundant, irrelevant bull. you're a ing soldier. politicians don't have to lob a mortar round? really? why did they do so much training in mortar fire if they're never going to use them? |
Honestly I don't think that was the main point of his talk. He wasn't talking about how hard it is to face death every day (which is definitely a common theme in these sortof discussions) but more about the horrible things the military was actually doing to the populations of the invaded on the ground. Perhaps how high a % of the actions they were doing was clearly and obviously wrong.
Honestly PKC I would've expected better comprehension from you. That was not clearly not his narrative in the talk at all.
He actually makes a very interesting point about the upper classes gaining far more from those wars than the vast majority of the country. Personally I think that in sounds exactly like how colonialism used to function. Overall a big drain on each countries budget but a small-medium elite profited massively from it and it was considered prestigious and had popular support for ultimately highly nationalist reasons so it continued.
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus Summers
And as for this thread, who cares? |
A lot of people obviously. If it's not you, why bother posting? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| you're a moron and so far beneath me intellectually it's embarrassing. |
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| notVARsalt |
the Heroes are the Ones that didn't come Home.
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| Psyshell |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you're a moron and so far beneath me intellectually it's embarrassing. |
Dodging what I said definitely proves it. :rolleyes: |
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| Lagrangian |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you're a moron and so far beneath me intellectually it's embarrassing. |
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| Psyshell |
| As much as there are people who are intellectually much higher than me, I find the idea of someone who can't even understand a simple video being far higher than me extremely unlikely. |
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