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Do you think soldiers are heroes or just byproducts of the system? (pg. 9)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zewad
No need for a hard definition. |
It certainly helps threads like this from descending into ten people talking past each other. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by notVARsalt
the Heroes are the Ones that didn't come Home.
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Generally, most forces suffer between 10 and 20% of their casualties as non-combat/non-hostility deaths... things like accidents, illness, murder, etc. Are these people heroes simply because they died? How is choking to death while eating your lunch many miles from any action heroic?
Heroism needs to be assessed by the doing of heroic acts... one's mere presence in the theater of war does not make one a hero. |
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| itsamemario |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
Our troops are sent to fight wars for oil. And who sends them? Giant lizard people that have taken over the bodies of powerful political figures as well as illumin-masons. |
illuminasons.
they're similar, but opposite to judaislanity. |
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| itsamemario |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Generally, most forces suffer between 10 and 20% of their casualties as non-combat/non-hostility deaths... things like accidents, illness, murder, etc. Are these people heroes simply because they died? How is choking to death while eating your lunch many miles from any action heroic?
Heroism needs to be assessed by the doing of heroic acts... one's mere presence in the theater of war does not make one a hero. |
Battles have been won without a life being taken, at times where the opposing force was just too large to bother to fight.
But I do get your sentiment. Dying in battle makes you no hero. Not automatically.
A hero is someone who has seen battle numerous times, and have amassed a reputation for not having fallen. How valiantly you fight also plays a big role, but sadly this is a element that has fallen away with the advancement of high tech rifles and panzered vehicles.
Getting injured, but fighting through the pain automatically grants you herodom. Even if you don't make it out alive, or even hurt another person. This is why shock troops are heroes. The Forlon hope-guys leading the assault.
Then you have all the standards, holding a key position under extreme conditions, going out of your way to save civilians etc.
A soldier is not a hero. A dead soldier is not a hero. A hero is someone who has done something remarkeable. |
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| OrangestO |
From a book I'm reading, "On the Warrior's Path," by Daniele Bolelli. |
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| Zombie0915 |
Most of them are dropouts and ups and welfare queens in general but you get hanged for saying that kind of in public.
So yeah america support the troops job well done men you saved the world from terrorism and brought peace to the middle east. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
Why would anyone hang you in public for saying that? Out of all of the countries that I can think of who have deployed troops over the last 20 years, America is probably the country that cares the least about their veterans. If they did care, so many American veterans would not be homeless or completely without the support needed to reintegrate themselves into a normal society.
Your own government does not equate these people as being heroes. If they did, they would take care of them. As it stands, the job of American soldier is generally viewed as for the dregs of society that otherwise have little to no real chance of employment in the skilled world.
See: Orangesto. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Jay is good Communist when censor watching |
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| Psyshell |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay
Why would anyone hang you in public for saying that? Out of all of the countries that I can think of who have deployed troops over the last 20 years, America is probably the country that cares the least about their veterans. If they did care, so many American veterans would not be homeless or completely without the support needed to reintegrate themselves into a normal society.
Your own government does not equate these people as being heroes. If they did, they would take care of them. As it stands, the job of American soldier is generally viewed as for the dregs of society that otherwise have little to no real chance of employment in the skilled world.
See: Orangesto. |
Because military officials being corrupt and getting away with crimes because they're military is so much better right :rolleyes: |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
Where did I say that?
ing hell, you must not even have any relevance in your own life you vapid muppet. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
Because military officials being corrupt and getting away with crimes because they're military is so much better right :rolleyes: |
What the are you talking about? This is a complete non-sequitur. |
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| Lagrangian |
Not only does the Constitution allow the formation of a Federal Army, it specifically recognizes state militias, and confirms that the citizen and his personal armaments are the foundation of the citizen militia. The arming of the militia is not left to the state but to the citizen. Should the state choose to arm its citizen militia, it is free to do so under the United States Constitution (bearing in mind that the Constitution is not a document limiting the citizen, but rather one that establishes and limits the power of government). Should the state fail to arm its citizen militia, the right of the people to keep and bear arms becomes the source of the guarantee that the state will not be found defenseless in the presence of a threat to its security.
It makes no sense whatsoever to look to the Constitution of the United States or that of any state for permission to form a citizen militia.
http://www.iahushua.com/T-L-J/Militia.html |
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