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Corona Virus Fears in your area (pg. 9)
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| Sushipunk |
| Well, that sucks. Thanks for the info though. |
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| Camwin |
| While the virus itself isn't hugely prevalent in New Zealand, we've had our first case confirmed in Wellington (he tested and decided to still travel and now is self quarantined in a fregin hotel!) the impact it's had on the travel industry is huge, many jobs will be/ are being lost :( |
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| OrangestO |
"Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant and with minimal symptoms, and then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs,” said Prof Philip Tierno at New York University’s school of medicine. He said much remained unknown about the virus. “I’m not certain that this is not biphasic, like anthrax,” he said, meaning the disease might appear to go away before recurring."
So you might think you've had it and gotten better after a week of hopefully self isolating but can still infect others afterward because it's lying dormant? If that's the case, providing free tests to the general public would seem even more vital. That's a scary thought that you could still be infectious even after symptoms have subsided. Or is that total nonsense? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Well, I am slightly biased, because I have been pro-UBI for years! (I think I first advocated for it around 2010.)
We're starting to see some movements that way, actually - Hong Kong is giving all residents ~$1,282 to help boost the economy, while German judges sneakily implemented a UBI of ~€1000 a month last year.
But, yes, I absolutely think that in the present circumstances there should be at a minimum a temporary UBI. Partially to help people on hourly-contracts and can't work from home and partially just to put a big boost into demand when things calm down and we've gotten past the virus.
I'd combine this with lots of other fiscal and monetary tools, by the way. But it's definitely one fiscal tool I would like to see governments using right now, even if they stopped it 6 months from now or whenever. |
i dont oppose UBI in principle but i've never seen a credible crunching of numbers that shows it's remotely affordable (generally and permanently i mean, not as a temporary fiscal tool). are there any decent studies? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Woony
I don't know, without going full accelerationist, to me the silver lining and potential upside of this whole thing seems to be that it's really the ultimate "things cannot go on this way" wake-up call, if there's ever been one. |
It could also end up inadvertently redressing some generational wealth inequality. |
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| Vector A |
The doctors and scientists I have been listening to generally attribute alleged "reinfection" to false negative tests. When you have a test like the current ones with a false negative rate in the teens, even if you do it twice to "make sure" you are bound to see some outliers given the enormous number of cases with this disease.
So far experiments in monkeys indicates little possibility of reinfection once you have fought off the virus:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10....0226v1.full.pdf
But that's just a preprint, not peer-reviewed, and they're monkeys, not humans. |
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| Vector A |
| Or it's also possible that the people who got reinfected have compromised immune systems (not making antibodies properly) either because of a pre-existing condition or (horror scenario!) the virus itself can destroy the immune system like HIV/AIDS. |
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| JEO |
| I don't buy the possibility of re-infection either, at least not yet. Everything regarding the virus is still quite rickety-rackety for now, so it's much more probable some of the tests were faulty. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i dont oppose UBI in principle but i've never seen a credible crunching of numbers that shows it's remotely affordable (generally and permanently i mean, not as a temporary fiscal tool). are there any decent studies? |
Our provincial government was piloting a UBI program that was cut when the Conservative party took over. The evidence drawn from the project's limited time running showed that the people receiving the money continued to work, at better paying, more secure jobs to boot; they were healthier, happier, and spent more money on goods and services! If people contributing more fulsomely to the economy isn't prime evidence to implement UBI, I dunno what is.
I found this, except only an abstract :/
https://works.bepress.com/widerquist/75/
Not a robust crunching of numbers, but a comparison to our child benefit showing how UBI could work similarly and what it would cost.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/09/19/economic-analysis-of-child-benefit-bolsters-case-for-national-basic-income.html
Here is the full report:
https://ubiworks.ca/canada-child-benefit-basic-income-economic-contribution/ |
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| Vector A |
Chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine is getting more and more attention:
One wrinkle is that anybody on QT interval prolonging meds (SSRIs etc.) would probably need to either stop them for a few days or have careful ECG monitoring. Small price to pay if this turns out to be life-saving. |
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