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Girl Dies at after hours nightclub (pg. 10)
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| Durafei |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
hee hee.
thanks RJ.
as far as I read, there are no scientific studies to show that MDMA and alcohol have synergistic effects. i'm looking it up right now.
the reason I would say not to use alcohol and E is the fact that you don't get all you can get from the E if you get drunk before, so it becomes a waste. you may get sick also from the bad stomach feeling you get and you end up not enjoying your time. |
What about the whole dehydration issue??? Doesn't alcohol dehydrate you, and MDMA adds to it even further ? |
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| BubbleGirl |
For the ones who bought last month's Maxim (which I bought). The main story was about the 10 drugs who will change the clubbers life. One of them included our friend E for sure. There also was a huge article about the kids who died on E. The main reason why alcohol and E should not be mixed is the dehydratation factor. Both E and alocohol dehydrates the body. The body temperature has a hard time to come down and you're overheating. They also suggest to avoid energy drinks when dropping too since they also contain caffeine who also dehydrates. There are other reasons I cannot remember, but I highly suggest you to buy it since it was really interesting to learn more about doing drugs responsively.
That issue of Maxim was one of the most interesting magazine (drug wise) I have ever read !!!:cool: |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by crazedcanuck
#2, I am personally disgusted and some of the slanderous comments directed @ the girl as a poser, etc, and the claims of ruining our scene. She is a fellow partier, no-one here AGAIN knows nothing personal about her. She could have been a long time supporter, or a first-timer, which again wasn't part of the article, or anyone's personal knowledge of her, so stop the holier-than-thou crap.
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i think only one person here actually called her a poser..
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. Z
Who knows what kind of train of thought other people have, can't really impose your belifs. |
Not imposing...just asking...
(not necessarily my beliefs either...) ;) |
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| Dr. Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. Z
It was probably dehydration.
Drugs don't kill you directly, if they did they would be labeled poison instead. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durafei
What about the whole dehydration issue??? Doesn't alcohol dehydrate you, and MDMA adds to it even further ? |
the thing is that, no one i know would actually dehydrate themselves to the point of dying. maybe i'm just surrounded by normal people, i dunno. this is why i find the whole dehydration thing a crock to some extent. i mean you no one should be that dumb.
I mean you can live for like a few days without water. |
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| Skipper |
She was only at the club for 2 hrs. How much dancing could she have done?
Probably not much if they were playing prog
*disssssssssssssssssss* |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
hee hee.
thanks RJ.
as far as I read, there are no scientific studies to show that MDMA and alcohol have synergistic effects. i'm looking it up right now.
the reason I would say not to use alcohol and E is the fact that you don't get all you can get from the E if you get drunk before, so it becomes a waste. you may get sick also from the bad stomach feeling you get and you end up not enjoying your time. |
I may be way off base here, but I remember reading somewhere that the same mechanism MDMA has for making the receptors in your brain absorb serotonin can also make them absorb dopamines, which are dangerous if absorbed. Normally dopamines are present only in a small concentration, but alcohol facilitates the release of dopamines and hence gets in there with the serotonin. So not only does it lessen the happy effects of MDMA, but can damage your brain in the same way.
Now I'm not sure, I don't think anybody has conclusively proven how MDMA works, but that's also why some people will tell you to post-load with either 5-htp (to keep the serotonin levels high enough that the dopamines don't start getting absorbed) or prozac (to make them impossible to absorb at all).
As for the dehydration, people drink water or electrolytic drinks when they're on E, which is exactly the opposite of alcohol. MDMA causes hyperthermia, dehydration is only a side-effect. But if you have alcohol dehydrating you then it's much harder to lower your body temperature which MDMA is causing to go up; since the natural way we lower our temperature is by perspiring (i.e. dehydrating ourselves), when we're already dehydrated that's much harder to do. So the MDMA is causing your body temperature to go up, and it won't go back down natural because of how dehydrated you already are - if you don't drink water, which this girl probably didn't, you WOULD get into serious trouble.
Yeah we can live for a few days without water but that's under normal conditions - mild temperature, low humidity, and no dehydrating or body-temperature-raising drugs swimming around in our systems.
But I know you know a lot more than I do about this Margs, I'm just basing this on things I've read... thought maybe there was something you hadn't considered.
I think mixing drugs in general is always a bad idea. We've all heard a lot of horror stories about people who got too experimental... so even if we don't know exactly what the reason is, it's quite possibly that ecstasy and alcohol are just a really bad combination. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by MattVagrant
Send it Aaron.
something else to consider... drinking too much water can kill the person too. |
thats true, in a way.
people always say "drink lots of water" when on a pill, but last time I did that I had major stomach pains and felt like puking. Also, my body temp. was unstable. One minute I was cold, the next I was hot. After that point,I just drink it whenever I feel like I *need* it, and thats what I tell anyone who's doing it for the first time. |
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| Durafei |
Actually it was a pretty big story a few years ago... A girl in UK died because she drank too much water. Apparenly she took a pill, which didn't sit well with her. So she started drinking LOTSa water. Eventually she died, and autopsy showed that the cause of death was too much water.
I'm skipping a lot of facts here, since I don't remember the story 100%, but that was the gist of it. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
As for the dehydration, people drink water or electrolytic drinks when they're on E, which is exactly the opposite of alcohol. MDMA causes hyperthermia, dehydration is only a side-effect. But if you have alcohol dehydrating you then it's much harder to lower your body temperature which MDMA is causing to go up; since the natural way we lower our temperature is by perspiring (i.e. dehydrating ourselves), when we're already dehydrated that's much harder to do. So the MDMA is causing your body temperature to go up, and it won't go back down natural because of how dehydrated you already are - if you don't drink water, which this girl probably didn't, you WOULD get into serious trouble.
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Just a few quick notes, there are no bunch of types of dopamines there is only one type of dopamine. And as far as I know, alcohol has a major effect on slowing down all neurons (making them fire less).
The thing with the brain is that its very complicated. There are inhibitory neurons in some areas and excititory neurons in other areas. Alcohol slows down all neurons therefore its a mishmash of effects.
I did just read that alcohol is known to release dopamine in the reward area of the brain but how much of an effect does that have on the toxicology its totally a different cup of tea.
I just wanted to point out about the temperature thing you wrote. The thing with being drunk is that you feel warm but you are actually being cooled at a faster rate because your arteries, capillaries and veins are dilated. that's why drunk people feel hot because the blood is closer to the skin but in reality they lose heat a lot faster. Therefore technically being drunk would let you cool off much faster. And again, they don't know the mechanism of how MDMA raises body temperature and if it does at all. I was just reading a review paper on this and results are varied. Some show an increase ans some even show a decrease. Who knows? In humans studies showed no increase in temperature in a regular setting. Of course everyones temperature is increased at a rammed night at the Guv.
I know that media drives the message home that body temperature is increased but actual studies show other wise with a regular dose of E. Where you run into problems is during MDMA toxic levels. but who really knows what comes first, the increase body heat or other effects of the overdose. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durafei
What about the whole dehydration issue??? Doesn't alcohol dehydrate you, and MDMA adds to it even further ? |
So does caffine and dancing! Are we supposed to avoid soda as well?
My point is that AFAIK alcohol and MDMA can be mixed, without adverse effect (due to some sort of synergistic mechanism of the two substances). |
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