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Girl Dies at after hours nightclub (pg. 12)
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| Form&Funktion |
| quote: | | 2. Take in moderation. I know that a lot of people do entire pills. the safest way is to take less then one and see how your body reacts. quarters and halfs are easy to manage. if you are already feeling ill, don't do it, why risk weird reaction with your body already under stess. |
Exactly!!!! Don't bet the farm when you can only afford to lose the mail box......I employ this logic and never have had a single issue. Start with a quarter or so and if your body gives you the green you can go from there and always listen to the signs your body is giving you. Your body chemistry can change from one day to the next so even if it was cool last time, the same stuff can get mean on ya.
Simple but effective advice |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | | The drug probably played a role in the demise of 19-year-old Tiffany Mahoney early Sunday, according to the coroner's office. Mahoney was showing no vital signs when she arrived at a Georgetown hospital. |
still no tox report. that's nice. |
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| Curious George |
I must admit that this is one of the most interesting threads that I have read since joining TA. Not only for the comentary and discussion but the scientific debate as well. Being quite new to the scene I new the basics of how MDMA worked before trying it but not all of the details. I have done a little further reading since but it is nice to get insights from poeple who seem to really know what they are talking about. What have you/are you studing Margaret , DigiNut and rabbitjoker (sorry I don't know your names)? Being from a scientific background I recently found myself doing various pubmed searches to see what studies have been done.
After getting fairly sick with a cold after an event a while back I wondered how the drugs would have contributed to this. The immunologisgt in me awaked. I realize that there are a number of factors that probably initiated this result(sharing water, exhaustion, etc.) still I wondered if is was further propagated by the drug use. I found a number of papers discussing the effects MDMA has on the immune system and they appeared to confirm my hunch that use led to immune supression, mainly depletion of T cell numbers. However I was also surprised to see how poorly some of the studies were conducted and controled. Are many of the nueronal studies done under conditions that would be representative of a club atmosphere or controlled stable environments.
Are there a lot of science geeks here. Hail to the science geek!
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Disgusting.
I guess I better edit that letter before I send it. The media is on this thing like a fat kid on a smartie. |
I don't think it's all that bad...the article, that is.
You can't expect the media to be 100% politically correct with everything, or even be 100% correct for that matter. It's a back page article that was written within a span of hours, it's not someone's thesis.
I think the article did a good job balancing both possibilities - that ecstasy can be harmful, but not decidedly fatal.
As an aside, Iv'e never had the slightest issue with E and alcohol combined. When I think about it, most occassions that I have dosed E in the last year or two have been alongside a good booze buzz. (hence the lack of judgement. :D ) |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by BubbleGirl
For the ones who bought last month's Maxim (which I bought). The main story was about the 10 drugs who will change the clubbers life. One of them included our friend E for sure. There also was a huge article about the kids who died on E. The main reason why alcohol and E should not be mixed is the dehydratation factor. Both E and alocohol dehydrates the body. The body temperature has a hard time to come down and you're overheating. They also suggest to avoid energy drinks when dropping too since they also contain caffeine who also dehydrates. There are other reasons I cannot remember, but I highly suggest you to buy it since it was really interesting to learn more about doing drugs responsively.
That issue of Maxim was one of the most interesting magazine (drug wise) I have ever read !!!:cool: |
what issue of Maxim is this? is it recent? |
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| Fir3start3r |
I'm sure someone out there could answer this...
Does E stop the hydration process or just dehydrate you? |
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| kwongandy |
a good place to start...
http://www.dancesafe.org/
for those who don't know this site, it's pretty good. slideshow included as swamper posted.
hyperthermia? due to neurotoxicity... might be worth a google...
party safely everyone... |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Does E stop the hydration process or just dehydrate you? |
MDMA increases water retention by increasing the effect of Anti-Diuretic Hormone (ADH), the balance of water and sodium is off. Urinating less and keeping more water in the body causes sodium levels to drop, this means you can have seizures, cerebral edema.*
What dehydrates someone is the dancing or exertion - thus one should only replace the fluids they have lost through sweating.
* - Lindesmith MDMA Seminar, 3/30/00, Julie Holland, MD |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
MDMA increases water retention by increasing the effect of Anti-Diuretic Hormone (ADH), the balance of water and sodium is off. Urinating less and keeping more water in the body causes sodium levels to drop, this means you can have seizures, cerebral edema.*
What dehydrates someone is the dancing or exertion - thus one should only replace the fluids they have lost through sweating.
* - Lindesmith MDMA Seminar, 3/30/00, Julie Holland, MD |
Wow...that's wacked...
So if I'm reading that right...your body is tricked into thinking that it's hydrated enough?
And Sodium I'm guessing is like your salt level?
(I never did take biology...) :p |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
So if I'm reading that right...your body is tricked into thinking that it's hydrated enough?
And Sodium I'm guessing is like your salt level?
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What it means is that MDMA (through an increased ADH sensitivity) can cause your body to retain water.
The edema (water retention) can possibly throw out your electrolyte balance (sodium, potassium and others) which can cause all sorts problems.
I would take that logic even one step further and conclude that all of the other effects of edema would also apply (renal damage, increased stress on the heart, etc). |
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| TECHno addict |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
people always say "drink lots of water" when on a pill, but last time I did that I had major stomach pains and felt like puking. Also, my body temp. was unstable. One minute I was cold, the next I was hot. After that point,I just drink it whenever I feel like I *need* it, and thats what I tell anyone who's doing it for the first time. |
Ive heard you should only consume around 250ml of water per hour when rolling. I usually double that, and have always been fine. Of course, i do dance non stop throughout the night so im sure the amound i drink is sufficient. |
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