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Girl Dies at after hours nightclub (pg. 9)
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| DarkWater |
| quote: | Originally posted by Waxen
If you had read the article |
I did. |
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| TheNeonAlien |
Honestly, that whole shower incident sounded like they got that out of Bad Boys 2.
Secondly if the friends had all took the same stuff and were all fine, shouldn't they had seen a stark contrast in their friend. I dont know, it all seems really weird. |
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| jpgrdnr |
"She CHOSE to take the drug and CHOSE to say no to an ambulance and the choices she made unfortunately took her life."
-Waxen's quote
Swamper made a good analysis that the pill(or capsule) may have contained DXM (which produces vomiting to some).
from bluelight.nu:
http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthre...2507#post912520
In addition, DXM causes an increase in body temperature and when combined with MDMA it can lead to dangerous overheating. Furthermore, DXM contributes to diarrhoea and vomiting. This gastrointestinal purging can be a major contributing factor to hyponatremia. Both overheating and hyponatremia can be fatal. The dissociative effects of DXM might possibly cause a user to be less aware of the fact that bad things are happening to their body.
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This is all hypothetical at this point,
but it sort of would explain her refusal for medical assistance. I don't believe(opinion) she was capable of rational thought at any point. That's just a counter-argument to the top quote.
That's a DXM experience if I ever heard one (1g of DXM and some bong hits later):
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=1731
Who knows...
I don't have a phd (I'm curious as to what her phd is in, RJ). On with the professional opinion! |
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| DarkWater |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheNeonAlien
Honestly, that whole shower incident sounded like they got that out of Bad Boys 2. |
you know
makes you wonder what really happened.
| quote: | | [Secondly if the friends had all took the same stuff and were all fine, shouldn't they had seen a stark contrast in their friend. I dont know, it all seems really weird. |
maybe she drank more than her friends did? |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by jpgrdnr
(I'm curious as what her phd is in, RJ) though. On with the professional opinion! |
Lets just say she spends her day studying pharmacology in ways we will never understand. Margs knows her . |
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| Mosaic |
I am probably not the most qualified person to comment on this subject, but I feel the need to just voice my opinion.
Clubs are not babysitting centres. When you turn 18, you are now responsible for your own ing actions. The clubs are doing enough for security. It's IMPOSSIBLE to search someone for a few pills. As long as searches are thorough enough to find WEAPONS, I am happy.
What needs to happen is young kids need to be educated on RESPONSIBLE drug use, as opposed to "just saying no". We need to shake this image that if you want to do drugs, you go to a rave, and communicate the dangers and depth of the drug situation in "rave bars" (whatever the that means).
I feel sorry for the family and friends, but she clearly knew nothing about buying E in the club scene, bought a pill or two from some shady dealer, and got crapped pills, which killed her. Metaphorically, she went skydiving without taking any lessons, and didn't pack her ing parachute right.
DigiNut, excellent letter. |
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| crazedcanuck |
Well, this is a sad story, one that none of us are in a positon to make anykind of judgement about, nor is the STAR even remotely qualified to report on it. (the only reason FILM wasn't mention is the fact STAR would be sued because of the blame they are implicating towards clubs)
The saddest thing of all to me is how some of our own community have reacted. It's like watching a bunch of HS kids gossip, much like when others in the scene have passed away recently.
#1. No-one REALLY knows what she took, or how much of it, including what was mixed. The paper reported they went to a bar beefore the club, but there is no account of who drank what and how much, same as there is no account of where the drugs were purchased, what they actually were, and where they were consumed.
#2, I am personally disgusted and some of the slanderous comments directed @ the girl as a poser, etc, and the claims of ruining our scene. She is a fellow partier, no-one here AGAIN knows nothing personal about her. She could have been a long time supporter, or a first-timer, which again wasn't part of the article, or anyone's personal knowledge of her, so stop the holier-than-thou crap.
#3. Responsibility is a tricky thing, and something she did indeed accept by taking the drug. But what about the responsibility of the dealer? Unless she is one of the few that are perhaps allergic, or doesn't produce the proper enzymes like RJ said, he is on the hook for selling crap. I am personally not proud of my past as a dealer a few years back, nor am I ashamed of it. I tested my pills and caps with kits, as well as informed ppl who bought from me what the cut was, etc, and the stamp and colour. These days people don't even seem to know what they just took... they simply shrug their shoulders and say, "my friend got it for me".
I was going through some of my photos of parties past with various friends, and each of them knew ppl who had passed away in the past 4yrs in the pictures. One had been shot @ Envy in 2000, and many had overdosed, and quite a few of them from cocaine for those that claim it is harmless.:rolleyes: (really good to have your heart under such stress)
All said and done, no-one except the people present that weekend have all the facts, and I bet none of them know everything either. Her parents have certainly blustered some things that are silly to those of us more informed, but they can be forgiven, their daughter is dead.
Supposition and ignorance is what we constantly flame the media for (justly), and yet many of you here are just a guilty. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by samhouse
good post |
but unfortunately not the first or last on the subject... :( :sadgreen:
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On a different train of thought...do kids really think they're missing out that much that they think they're indestructible?
Granted the human body can take a lot of punishment, but why play with your life??
I'm not pointing out that this was the case here but I'm pretty sure it could have been a small subconscious self-convincing factor...(she did in fact refuse help...)
Thoughts? :confused: |
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| Skipper |
| I got thinking more about this last night. Of course it's tragic for everyone involved, but the friends are going to have to deal with this incident for the rest of their lives...god, that's an awful lot for such young people to deal with. |
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| Dr. Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Thoughts? :confused: |
Who knows what kind of train of thought other people have, can't really impose your belifs. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
thanks for the input - but I'd like to hear what our resident PhD has to say about it. |
hee hee.
thanks RJ.
as far as I read, there are no scientific studies to show that MDMA and alcohol have synergistic effects. i'm looking it up right now.
the reason I would say not to use alcohol and E is the fact that you don't get all you can get from the E if you get drunk before, so it becomes a waste. you may get sick also from the bad stomach feeling you get and you end up not enjoying your time. |
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