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Girl Dies at after hours nightclub (pg. 6)
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| Pixiechick |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
"They" are already drugging us in the forms of Prozac and Zoloft. Same thing. |
This makes me think of a quote from Trainspotting, when Ewan McGregor's character Mark Renton steals some Valium "which I have already procured from my mother, who is, in her own domestic and socially acceptable way, also a drug addict." |
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| Ub3rTrancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by DarkWater
Her friends should be charged with manslaughter. When they "put her int he shower and wrapped her in blankets" they took responsibility for her life in my opinion. They called 911 AFTER she stopped breathing? How do we know she wasn't begging for an ambulance and it was her friends who were afraid of the consequences? Her temperature must have been insanely high, how did they not think it was serious enough to grant a hospital trip? |
Dude... thats so wrong... |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by DarkWater
Her friends should be charged with manslaughter. When they "put her int he shower and wrapped her in blankets" they took responsibility for her life in my opinion. They called 911 AFTER she stopped breathing? How do we know she wasn't begging for an ambulance and it was her friends who were afraid of the consequences? Her temperature must have been insanely high, how did they not think it was serious enough to grant a hospital trip? |
Remember that we don't know all of the details about what caused her friends to do what they did.
The information in the article didn't even come from one of them, it came from someone anonymous. |
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| MattVagrant |
yeah... that "socially accepted" part is what makes things so enigmatic and disturbing.
why are anti-depressants socially acceptable while MDMA is not?
(and i think that neither is acceptable if you want a free thinking populace... but... then again, is a free-thinking populace better? take away someone's autonomy, take away their free thought, and they're easier to control, which is not only better for them, but better for the people controlling... it is easier to achieve a utilitarian society if people don't know that they're making certain sacrifices in the name of the whole.) |
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| MattVagrant |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
The information in the article didn't even come from one of them, it came from someone anonymous. |
ie. possibly fabricated, and definitely not accountable to it being truthful --> if proven wrong, they can just turn around and blame it on the 'source' |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pixiechick
This makes me think of a quote from Trainspotting, when Ewan McGregor's character Mark Renton steals some Valium "which I have already procured from my mother, who is, in her own domestic and socially acceptable way, also a drug addict." |
and also the mother in Requiem for a Dream. Out of all three 4 drug stories in that movie I found that one the most disturbing by far! |
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| Resnick |
um.. two things i wanna say, i dont think her friends should be held responsible, even if they had left her at the club...its her fault for getting into what she got into.
and the socially acceptable, if heroin was legal and the media portrayed it as cool or whatever, it would be the same thing as alcohol right now (socially speaking)
its all the same... |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pixiechick
I definitely agree. Well said Aaron - are you going to send it? |
Wow, this thread exploded while I was gone. Yes, I wanted to run it by you guys first to see if I made any glaring omissions or obvious mistakes, since my knowledge about ecstasy and drugs is less than 100%. But seeing the response, sure, I'll send it tomorrow.
Durafei: You are right that the scene may thrive on drug use, but we have to make the distinction between the evil insidious drug use that destroys everyone's lives like the media portrays it, and casual recreational responsible drug use that we see all the time at clubs.
Hell... I wouldn't try, but even coke can be done responsibly if it's pure enough. It's just a matter of knowing what the hell you're doing and keeping yourself in check. |
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| Skipper |
| oh aaron, I don't think you know what you just started with that last bit there... |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
oh aaron, I don't think you know what you just started with that last bit there... |
Please. I'm not denying the obvious fact that it's more responsible not to take a drug than it is to take it. But while we're all playing by those rules, why don't we just go live in a bomb shelter for the rest of our lives subsisting off canned food - oh wait, canned food isn't healthy either, I guess there's just no way out is there? |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Yes, I wanted to run it by you guys first to see if I made any glaring omissions or obvious mistakes, since my knowledge about |
MDA isn't speed. The way you have it written "MDA (speed)" makes it seem like they are one in the same.
Danke. |
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| Tordan |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
and also the mother in Requiem for a Dream. Out of all three 4 drug stories in that movie I found that one the most disturbing by far! |
me too!
I'm not sure if this was Tiffany’s first time trying ecstasy but I do understand how her situation went south real fast. The first time I dropped was back in '98. My dorm-mates and I had been drinking all weekend and we ended up at some dance club in Hull, Quebec. We were all 18 or 19 and had never tired or heard much about the drug but we decided to try it anyway. VERY BAD IDEA!! I went through the same ordeal she did. I was sick to my stomach, was vomiting and burning up. My friends were too drunk/high to notice what bad shape I was in so basically I was by myself. The only thing I remember about that phase of the night was thinking how much I loved my family and how devastated they'd be if I died like this. I guess that's what kept me going so I kept drinking water and stayed in the patio until my friends were ok to go back. I got lucky in this situation unfortunately Tiffany did not.
Some contributing factors to my ordeal:
1) Ignorance - about ecstasy and what should/shouldn't be done when you consume it. Drinking for example.
2) The friends - I don't really blame the people I was with because it could have been one of them that were sick and I wouldn't have bothered to check on him or call 911.
3) The club - the club itself is not to blame. I was pretty hammered but I made a conscious decision to do ecstasy so all that responsibility rested squarely on my shoulders.
Its too bad things had to go horribly wrong for Tiffany. Reading articles like this sends chills down my spine because that could have been me. I'd like to offer some advice if I may... if you're gonna be a friend, be a good one! Even though you don't have a legal responsibly to call 911 don't wait until the person stops breathing. Getting into with the police or your parents isn't as important as saving someone's life. |
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