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McProgressive (pg. 21)
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| Ory |
Don't be such a dumbass. If you can prove me wrong; go ahead. Otherwise, just off.
EDIT: Maybe I went a little too far bashing the listeners, since their tastes haven't evolved yet. But the producers... oh boy. They're in it for the easy money. It's so old and overdone, too. Can't you just realise that? |
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| Plastick |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ory
Don't be such a dumbass. If you can prove me wrong; go ahead. Otherwise, just off. |
Cool! Great attitude coming from Mr(Mrs) Ory. |
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| Steven Hays |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durrrtysouth
And as the thread starter, I think that was your only motive to stir up as much as you can. Why dont you just give it a rest.
BTW: if it wasnt for Markus/Armin (GDJB/ASOT) Derek Howell would still be unknown. |
Pinkbox Special - Simple was neither sent to Markus through Peter Martin or Derek Howell. Same goes for Perfect Wave. I think maybe Markus' canning of Simple only hastened Derek's career, but it wasn't neccesarily a help. LOL, the guy needs no help. As for Derek being unknown without GDJB airplay, that's a laugh. Diggers was canning "Funk It" back at WMC earlier this year, and fans were already familiar of Derek through Proton and EDM digital. I gotta stop laughing...
And for Speedracer, Peter has a fourthcoming EP on Armada I do believe, so don't dog Armada yet...;) |
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| speedracer_mec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Steven Hays
Pinkbox Special - Simple was neither sent to Markus through Peter Martin or Derek Howell. Same goes for Perfect Wave. I think maybe Markus' canning of Simple only hastened Derek's career, but it wasn't neccesarily a help. LOL, the guy needs no help. As for Derek being unknown without GDJB airplay, that's a laugh. Diggers was canning "Funk It" back at WMC earlier this year, and fans were already familiar of Derek through Proton and EDM digital. I gotta stop laughing...
And for Speedracer, Peter has a fourthcoming EP on Armada I do believe, so don't dog Armada yet...;) |
Yea im sure Derek Howell beat Peter Martin over the head when he told him that.
I just hope the other Texan Ace....Smight doesnt go same route |
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| Steven Hays |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Yea im sure Derek Howell beat Peter Martin over the head when he told him that.
I just hope the other Texan Ace....Smight doesnt go same route |
Don't quote me yet, I wasn't sure if Peter told me lost language or Armada, but he's got stuff coming outta both. Either way you can expect quality regardless of the label. If he can get paid from Armada go ahead, its not going to affect his producing abilites. |
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| Ory |
| quote: | Originally posted by Plastick
(Mrs) Ory. |
Well that was random. :rolleyes: Thanks for proving me right.
ASOT/GDJB = unoriginal, unimaginative n00b trance. Period. |
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| X RichieRich X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ory
Well that was random. :rolleyes: Thanks for proving me right.
ASOT/GDJB = unoriginal, unimaginative n00b trance. Period. |
lol |
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| Ory |
| Hey, it's you again! I see you've come back without a point. Now go think for a bit. |
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| Plastick |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ory
Well that was random. :rolleyes: Thanks for proving me right.
ASOT/GDJB = unoriginal, unimaginative n00b trance. Period. |
Honestly I wasnt saying that ure a Mrs. My bad for adding brackets instead of a /. Make it Mr/Mrs. I dunno your sex.
Try harder. I will still listen to ASOT/GDJB shows (once every many weeks) and u'll still listen to your 1337 sasha&diggers prog. Im not putting sasha&diggers off b'c I DO listen to that style. For the past years I've become more open minded about the style of edm im listening to. |
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| Camwin |
Guys people like what they like, mot much is going to change that spesh when you're going about it the wrong way. What is the point in this thread? Is anything going to resolve the stupid issue? Leave it as it is, go about your own ways, leave other genres you don't like alone!!!!!!!!No point bitching about it when it's not going to help the situation, it's just making things worse. Anyone no what the point in music is? Is it to make pathetic threads like this then bitch, moan and argue? It's to make people that listen to it happy. There's no point crying about it when they don't really care if you hate it or not, I'ts not for you! As many people have said soo many times "If you don't like it, don't listen to it!!!"
EDIT: it looked real before so i changed it :) |
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| X RichieRich X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ory
Hey, it's you again! I see you've come back without a point. Now go think for a bit. |
actually i am embarrassed that i even argued with you. |
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| Cobalt |
Jeez, gone for less than 24 hours and this thread doubles. What I find really frustrating (and revealing) is that many of the same flawed arguments have been repeated since, when I already addressed them. Don't people even bother reading the thread before posting?
| quote: | Originally posted by Mechgear
as a gdjb played producer id just like to say, if u dont like the music then off and listen to your ty hardcore/hardstyle/cheese in a can above and beyond look at my synths look at my synths music and leave the music i and the other producers work the alone.
if u dont like it, off and dont listen, dont bitch cos about it cos it proves your some kind of ing idiot who doesnt understand .
prog gone formulaeic? welcome to edm u dumb twats, all EDM is formulaeic, intro, main verse, outro... at its simplest
and dreamy sounding reverbed synths? hell yes and u know why? cos when u hear them u get that funny little feeling in your stomach which makes u happy and feel euphoric, THAT is why people use them, THAT is why people like them!
personally id like to hear the prog sound go both deeper and more uplifting into two seperate sub genres, cos i think that prog has a lot of life in it.
as for markus and armin killing prog, whats your problem? would you have even heard of it if it wasnt for them? simple answer... NO.
its idiots like the fools who bitch on this thread that kill the ing scene, so once again shove ur mc prog label up ur arse and kindly off back to your cyberkiddies munching 20 pills a night destroying their braincells and listening to music which is too fast to dance to for more than 30 seconds, leave the decent music to the people who understand/deserve it
Nick Thompson |
The ignorance of this post just boggles the imagination. It alone gives better support to the argument against American prog than anything else in this thread. I honestly would not be able to craft a better parody if I tried. There's hateful generalization, ignorance of history, lack of experience, point-blank ad hominem, you name it. It's all there.
| quote: | Originally posted by Wandii
4. There is NEVER any bad music, there are only opinions. Most of which should be kept to themselves. |
This is not quite true. Objective quality does exist in music, though it's very difficult to pin down or measure in any way. People with experience in a particular form of music will differ in taste, yes, but there are always works that are more generally agreed upon to be better or worse. Therefore there is something that gives a measure of objective quality, but you can't really nail it down or quantify it.
| quote: | Originally posted by Mechgear
a lot of the people bashing the music are sasha fans etc (wow isnt that prog house?) |
Sasha has played both progressive house and trance over the years. In the early to mid-nineties he played what you might call progressive house, but it was really a different genre back then, typically called "Epic House". Between 1998 and 2000, he went almost exclusively progressive trance, culminating in Xpander and GU 013. From 2001 onward he shifted decisively to progressive house, as did pretty much the entire progressive scene.
| quote: | Originally posted by stevebutabi
it's really ing sad if progressive trance has evolved from Sasha GU 13 to "McProg" |
Truly. Calling the Miami sound "progressive trance" is just criminal compared to the noble legacy of that genre, and doesn't fit either (because it's decidedly house based).
| quote: | Originally posted by Durrrtysouth
Have you noticed that all this bitching and negativity only started here on TA when the Global Underground message board was shut down (which by the way was nothing but Sasha and Digweed ass kissers and slagging everything else).
Someone please start that board up again so these poor helpless progheads can have a place to bitch and moan again. |
Having been on Trance Addict through our own rise and fall of prog-head arrogance, I must say you don't know what you're talking about here.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian^
| quote: | Originally posted by A.J.
I don't "dig that sound". |
but it's sick. so many 'tight' tunes :stongue: |
See, "American Progressive" fits great! :p
| quote: | Originally posted by Jasperovitsj
This isn't meant personally, or as a rection against McProg or anything, just a general thought I just had:
What does not listening to it gonna help? Me not listening won't cease the problem to exist, nor will it diminish any effect it has on the scene. It's just like ignoring a fight between your parents. Going to your room and cranking up the volume of your stereo doesn't make the fight downstairs disppear, and it certainly won't miraculously erase all the pain and wounds it causes...
So yeah, I personally think McProg has an influence on "the scene", kinda in a way like Eurodance has an influence on the "real trance"-scene. It's great to introduce willing listeners to a new kind of music, but with the meaning of those listeners to move on, explore further, and see beyond the crappy stuf that got them into it in the first place. I'm not calling McProg-artists crappy here, but you know what I mean, there's just a little difference between McProg and the real deal. Once again I compare it with Eurodance: Barthezz - On The Move, for example, isn't necessarily a bad song, but almost every self-respecting "real trance"-fan won't call it "pure proper trance"...
And what do real trance-heads complain about? Cowboy-hat wearing breezah's that think Lasgo or that Barthezz track is the culmination of trance, and Dj Jean is the best turntablewizard the world has ever seen. Such people are called "ignorant fools", and are strongly advised to "look beyond that , and find the true trance!". Once again, same thing with McProg IMO. Sure, it's good to introduce people to a new style, but it should function as a stepstone to the "real" prog, somewhat like a bridge crossing 2 genres. But lately it just seems that a lot of people are standing still at the middle of the bridge, while thinking that they've already reached the other side completely...
So basically, I wonder what this "If you don't like it, don't listen to it" attitude is gonna help? It's clear that there is some kind of problem with McProg, the simple fact that this discussion is being held and doesn't seem to end proves that quite easily. But "not listening if you don't like it" will just make you ignore the problem, and what does that help? It will only make the gap between McProg-lovers and pure Progheads get bigger and bigger...
And I'm not gonna try to offer a simple yet genius solution to it all, cause I frankly don't think there is any (just like there really isn't any in the Eurodance vs Trance debate). But you could at least be aware of the problem and acknowledge it. IMO, using the "If you don't like it, don't listen to it" argument, is just as constructive as saying "McProg sucks adn so do you for listening to it"...
As I said, this isn't anything personal, just a general annoyance about this comment being one of the most used on musicboards, but in fact being kinda bullsh*t IMO... |
I agree. And it reminds me of another argument against the "if-you-don't-like-it-don't-listen-to-it" argument, which I posted on page 8:
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Actually, it is that difficult. You're assuming that there's perfect knowledge and access to music. When a particular genre is flooded by a sound like that of American Progressive or ASOT, the minority sounds still attached to that genre becomes much more difficult to find. This is the current state of trance for me, and others on the board. I search through record shops. I listen to a variety of sets. But I have to sift through an increasingly large volume of material that sounds the same, that is diminishing in quality. It's not so simple that people who don't like American Progressive and Dutch Trance can simply get up and leave for something else, because all the available distribution channels are filled with the stuff. It becomes increasingly frustrating as time goes on, particularly when one feels that better material is becoming unjustly buried. So naturally myself and others will put up a fight and speak out against it. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
I think Ozgur Can has the capability of producing some fine records
as do Leama and Moor, but by their own admission, they're not into it anymore, and churning out the tunes for bucks..... |
I agree. And I fear the Tilt project slipping in the same direction, though it's not too late. |
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