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Formula 1 2005 Thread (pg. 12)
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranceplanted
Ok, is it just me or do the rule changes just seem to geared towards handicapping the larger budget teams? Don't get me wrong, I love competitive racing, but to me, F1 represented the pinnacle of the sport of driving. This was basically the forum in which teams, drivers, and manufacturer's were set to display their technical, mental, and physical skill.
I'm all for competitive racing, but why is that no one seems to recall the great Hakkinen/Schumacher cum McLaren/Ferrari battles of not that long ago? This was done with full tire changes, pit strategies, and back in the time where qualifying laps meant you actually had to employ some thought into when to run. Is the Ferrari dominance thereafter Hakkinen's retirement their fault? I really think that McLaren dropped the ball as a team in it's support of it's drivers, (Kimi in particular) and in it's development.
Renault had a strong season last year, along with BAR, and I would like to think they would have come out strong this year again. I would have liked to think they would have been very competitive shortly under the same rules. These are teams with large budgets, relatively new, and on the rise. McLaren and Williams should have been more comptetive over the last few years, but simply haven't been up to snuff.
I'm not crying over Ferrari's lack of impressiveness thus far, I'm just upset over the fact of the continual handicapping of the sport every few years to appease a few teams whose management and dedication just don't seem to measure up. Maybe I'm a purist, but dammit I want my F1 to be the pinnacle of auto racing!!! Gimme 300 MPH cars with slicks and 3.5 L turbo engines.......:crazy: |
You speak the truth!
The old 12 lap system was definatly the best. I loved to see people carve their way through traffic(then complain about it later, lol). I loved to see lap times drop for each racer as he put in more flying laps. And then i loved to see the lap times tumble in the last 45seconds, cause everybody is trying to get in that last lap, and the track gets ultra grippy.
It was like a mini race.
F1 has definatly changed the rules too much; but in all fairness they have to change often. The technological development of these teams is/was out of hand. Im not saying its bad, its just really freakin quick.
The aero on the cars is the biggest problem facing the sport. With all that turbulent air coming off the wings, nobody could properly set up for a pass. This all started in about 99, when people stared to use 'X' wings (aero parts on top of the side pods), and teams realised that the extra drag was worth it, cause the enhanced grip levels could be compensated by just uping RPM(HP).
That is truly when the sport died. The FIA then introduced grooved tires in order to reduce speeds because they thought tire development was stagering, when i believe it was a combination of aero/tires/engine.
I love to see fast cars, but the fact is that the FIA wants to keep a level of safety, and that cannot be upheld with current speeds and current tracks. If all of our tracks were like Malaysia, Bahrain, and China, then it would be fine. Gravel traps, safetly walls, and huge run off areas are eveywhere. So instead of just getting new tracks to hold the faster cars, they slowed the cars down to fit older tracks. its Simple. they would need 15 new $300 million USD tracks to be able to properly hold f1 races. its much cheaper for everybody to just change the cars.
was recently watching the 1995 Argintina GP. It was awsome! The cars were soo twichy, yet still fast. They had very little body work, but full slicks. The passing was great, and people made lots of mistakes. We need less aero, full slicks, and more karting champs. Screw all these pay to drive losers.
BAN TCS ALREADY!!! |
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| Tranceplanted |
| Orko, you're absolutely right, those were issues with the cars, but there coulda been any number of changes that would have addressed the matters. I just don't agree with the method of the FIA to handle it. F1 is about adaptability, drivers do it, teams do it, and I'm sure there would have been someone to figure out the problems without the rule changes. Maybe I'm wrong and all races would have been won in the pits, but either way, I'm still not a fan of the governing body..... :whip: |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancechaos
its that time again.
please lord let ferrari put renault in their place |
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I dunno about you guys but last year was BOOORING so I like the new changes...SO far this year each race was FINALLY exciting to watch...And if "letting" Shoemaker pass Baricello under team orders is exciting to you then go watch paint dry:wtf: |
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| Tranceplanted |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobbyG.
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I dunno about you guys but last year was BOOORING so I like the new changes...SO far this year each race was FINALLY exciting to watch...And if "letting" Shoemaker pass Baricello under team orders is exciting to you then go watch paint dry:wtf: |
Haha, I agree the races weren't terribly exciting, but was it really Ferrari's fault the other teams didn't keep pace? McLaren was a big disappointment post Hakkinen, and Williams never lived up to the hype.
We don't see other sports drastically change rules to stifle a dynasty. Should the NFL change the draft rules and caps to stop the Pats? Or should MLB change the their roster rules and equipment to stop the Yanks? Teams adapt with what they have and find a way to compete, and I think it's just a little too easy to say well Ferrari is the best because they have the most money.
I think competition in the sport is a problem, but I don't think it's soley because of budget. |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranceplanted
Haha, I agree the races weren't terribly exciting, but was it really Ferrari's fault the other teams didn't keep pace? McLaren was a big disappointment post Hakkinen, and Williams never lived up to the hype.
We don't see other sports drastically change rules to stifle a dynasty. Should the NFL change the draft rules and caps to stop the Pats? Or should MLB change the their roster rules and equipment to stop the Yanks? Teams adapt with what they have and find a way to compete, and I think it's just a little too easy to say well Ferrari is the best because they have the most money.
I think competition in the sport is a problem, but I don't think it's soley because of budget. |
True...I remember when Macleren/Renault was dominant in the days of Villeneuve/Hill and Ferrari was unreliable and there we're no rule changes...Now its the other way around...I just can't STAND Shoemaker & prefer his teammate Bericello by a mile & wished HE was number 1 instead of Shoemaker:sadgreen: |
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| trancechaos |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobbyG.
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I dunno about you guys but last year was BOOORING so I like the new changes...SO far this year each race was FINALLY exciting to watch...And if "letting" Shoemaker pass Baricello under team orders is exciting to you then go watch paint dry:wtf: |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobbyG.
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I dunno about you guys but last year was BOOORING so I like the new changes...SO far this year each race was FINALLY exciting to watch...And if "letting" Shoemaker pass Baricello under team orders is exciting to you then go watch paint dry:wtf: |
i personally think the first race this year was boring as hell. Everybody was just pacing themselves and seeing how things turned out.
It wasnt the all out fight as it usually is, because the first race could grant anybody points. So you usually get people just going for it. Not this year, nobody wanted to hurt their precious tires or engines.
Schumi is the man when you want to see somebody truly strech a car. He can put in times that nobody can touch. Thats why love to watch the guy, insanely fast.
But if it comes down to passing...Kimi/JPM all the way. |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancechaos
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| Dark_Archonis |
Exactly ... speeds are being limited on purpose for safety. God forbid that another driver dies like Senna did. Also the new changes were brought in to allow for easier passing ... and to lessen the turbulence coming off some of the ridiculous wings that were in use.
I've said this before and I'll say it again ... if Ferrari really is such a superior team, that all the fans seem to think so, then these new rules and regulations should be no problem for them.
And I agree that the technological prowess of some teams is too much ... these new rules restrict the big budget teams, while giving more leway to the small budget teams who often use ingenuity anyways. It sort of levels off the playing field. Plus, F1 is all about experience. Ferrari has had a huge amount of experience in all kinds of racing, compared to most of the other teams. Ferrari is practically all about racing, with their production cars simply a tribute to their racing cars.
The new rules and regulations force engineers to think outside the box, to come up with new ideas and designs ... this is pushing the limits of racing ... because tires have to last longer as well as engines.
F1 is all about racing to the limit ... but "the limit" can be defined in a number of different ways ... I mean 300mph is all nice and good .... but you sacrifice a lot of safety and reliability. What's the point of a car being able to reach 300mph, when it can only do it for a short amount of time before losing reliability.
The new changes push reliability, endurance, and engineering to the extreme ... while still challenging engineers to achieve ever higher speeds.
EDIT: F1 racing should not depend on how much money you have ... but more on engineering, skill, and pushing the limits of man and machine. These new rules reflect that. |
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| TranceGeek |
Ferrari sucks!
GO BAR!!!!!! |
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| RobbyG. |
Pretty good race especially watching Webber & De La Rosa scrapping it out:)...I think Ferrari should have used their 2004 cars in this race so that they could at least get some points...oh well...it was great seeing other teams on the podium...It must have been unbearably HOT:eyespop: for car & driver>>> 55 Degree Celcius <<<:eyespop:
Next stop is Imola....:D |
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| big_charm |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobbyG.
True...I remember when Macleren/Renault was dominant in the days of Villeneuve/Hill and Ferrari was unreliable and there we're no rule changes...Now its the other way around...I just can't STAND Shoemaker & prefer his teammate Bericello by a mile & wished HE was number 1 instead of Shoemaker:sadgreen: |
Hmm you might not like Shumacher but he is the best F1 driver in the world, that's fact. That is why he is Ferrari's #1 driver:thepirate |
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