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In Search of Sunrise 5 Los Angeles (pg. 7)
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Phortastic
I feel he just doesnt take enough time for it. He knows his fans will take it and buy it anyway so he doesnt give a about mixing/flow. Sad though, and he can mix thats for sure. Just listen to isos2 that says enough. |
ISOS2 is the only one that fits a 'sunrise' mix too imo. the rest are all good trance mixes but never 'amazing' |
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| Phortastic |
yeah i agree, isos2 is the best isos easily for me also.
still have to hear this one though but dont see it beating isos2 ;)
my hope has raised abit though now that i read u actually quite enjoyed it Ian :)
Lets hope i do too :) |
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| Spirit5 |
| ISOS2 was a nice mix, but it doesn't beat ISOS 3 IMO. I liked the way ISOS 3 was built up, it seemed the CD that he really was able to put a lot of effort into it. The mixing was top notch IMO, and the track selection was awesome. It wasn't exactly a hugely energetic mix, but I think it captured the mood of what he was trying to achieve with this series; a more laid back, chilled...early morning trance and progressive sound, then something full on. The other's were great (except ISOS 4 was prolly the poorest), but from the looks and sounds of ISOS 5 so far (have to hear the full CD to really judge it) it sounds to be up there with ISOS 3 as far as capturing the chilled out, summery "sunrise" sound this series was supposed to be about. ISOS 4 should not have even been an ISOS, he should have made it Nyana 2 (I heard somewhere he was going to) and made this newest one ISOS 4.... |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by Phortastic
I feel he just doesnt take enough time for it. He knows his fans will take it and buy it anyway so he doesnt give a about mixing/flow. Sad though, and he can mix thats for sure. Just listen to isos2 that says enough. |
YES! going from Breeder's Tyantanic -> Max Graham's Airtight....that was really good. one of the best track advances i've ever heard, i thought.
I'm listening to the samples, and i can't really say much for the mixing...it's just awkward hearing the track fade out at the end, so i don't really know if it's that bad or not. but whatever.
i really like that remix of Little Bird - that sounds really kickass. i think perhaps it will make a good closer for the first CD. |
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| MaGiKaL_MiKe |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
I'll be totally honest, I can't hear them being 'that' bad. they're very short imo and the number of vocal tunes is another weird thing, structure too, but overall i'd rate this way above asot albums or schulz' etc. it's not bad in todays market. compared to older ones, its probably only average, but times changed |
Come on! I dont like ASOT and Schulz all over either, but I'v heared Miami 05 (which isn't something compared to Coldharbour 1 but ok) and there the mixes doesnt had the argh factor or felt downpitched on some way!
There are only 3 or 4 (and them I'm not picky) transistions that aren't frustrating me on ISOS5. Disc 2 is downpitched to death, totally not something where Tijs is famous for :D. Disc 1 is also downpitched over general but there it isn't very frustrating, only at Everything Matters because it's totally missing the energy over there. |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
ISOS2 was a nice mix, but it doesn't beat ISOS 3 IMO. I liked the way ISOS 3 was built up, it seemed the CD that he really was able to put a lot of effort into it. The mixing was top notch IMO, and the track selection was awesome. It wasn't exactly a hugely energetic mix, but I think it captured the mood of what he was trying to achieve with this series; a more laid back, chilled...early morning trance and progressive sound, then something full on. The other's were great (except ISOS 4 was prolly the poorest), but from the looks and sounds of ISOS 5 so far (have to hear the full CD to really judge it) it sounds to be up there with ISOS 3 as far as capturing the chilled out, summery "sunrise" sound this series was supposed to be about. ISOS 4 should not have even been an ISOS, he should have made it Nyana 2 (I heard somewhere he was going to) and made this newest one ISOS 4.... |
Yup he commented in an interview in February 2005 he was working on Nyana 2, three months prior to ISOS4 being released. I guess it was a more marketable franchise.
However I am sitting here laughing how much benefit of the doubt you're attributing to Tijs in your comments. Granted it will take a full listen to form a proper viewpoint - but i'd actually advise you stick to just listening to the samples on the ISOS website...
That way the mixing cannot affect your judgement of the CD like ours. Disc 1 is pitched @ 130. I mean granted its ISOS, granted its getting housier even as ISOS goes... but ffs - half these tracks he pumps out in his sets at least at 135.
So anyone who has seen him live recently (including the HMH in December) or downloaded a mix from him recently, is going to be just laughing or comatose at how completely frustratingly slow the first few tracks are.
I just listened again the first disc, and the way it wraps up around the hour mark i'm thinking its near the end of the disc... but still 4 more tunes get thrown down before the close of the cd.
To find reasoning for the flow (or lack of) i'm thinking this is either a software based mix or just plain idleness.
Everyone agrees the tunes on the website are in general of a very high quality. The tune selection this year s all over ISOS4. But yet again, this sounds like Tijs didn't even bother to playback his recording to check if he got it right. Never mind actually sit down with engineers etc. and properly adjust any dodgy mix etc.
Colour My Eyes -> Empty Streets
(i know i already mentioned it but its so bad i just simply can't resist saying it again) The technique here is just thrown completely out the window (and why i think the mix was done on some dodgy software program) Colour My Eyes is already fading out when the final cuepoint is sounding, only for Empty Streets to not start for a clear 3-4 seconds after the cue point. Its an atrocious error for a professional DJ actually releasing a CD he can listen to 100s of times, perfect the mix, make it sound like its meant to go etc. But this looks like a "this one may go here" type attitude, that is throwing this cd together in 1 session, without any intention to make it work. The mix sits for about 20-30 seconds as Empty Streets gets going... while Colour My Eyes is just faded out.
Point being, fans who will have spent time downloading the HMH set or Duplex sets from last year - had better stick to those mp3's rather than bother buying this CD. Because just as those livesets actually sounded like Tijs was coming back and keeping it together - this mix is just hopelessly flawed.
Melody clashes, missed cue points and simply no attention to flow.
Despite the good tunes, i just can't listen to this again. Hopefully one of the release parties will be broadcast - so the fans who will undoubtedly feel the same as i have stated here can actually listen to these tunes in a far superior order and technique. |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
That way the mixing cannot affect your judgement of the CD like ours. Disc 1 is pitched @ 130. I mean granted its ISOS, granted its getting housier even as ISOS goes... but ffs - half these tracks he pumps out in his sets at least at 135.
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just out of curiosity, do you know what the other ISOS albums are at? I know ISOS3 was pretty slow; but 1 & 2 seemed faster. just curious. |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
just out of curiosity, do you know what the other ISOS albums are at? I know ISOS3 was pretty slow; but 1 & 2 seemed faster. just curious. |
Not off the top of my head no...
but the new cd was so noticeably slowly killing the tracks, Magikal Mike did a BPM check.
I'd say the 4 others in the series are faster.
**edit**
ISOS3 starts at around 132.. and ends faster around 136. |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
but the new cd was so noticeably slowly killing the tracks,
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that's how i felt about ISOS4, esp the loves we lost and perfect silence. and for an ending that was a bit of a downer. |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
that's how i felt about ISOS4, esp the loves we lost and perfect silence. and for an ending that was a bit of a downer. |
btw i know how you posted you hate fade outs...
:( I'm sorry man... really i am lol :haha: |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
:( I'm sorry man... really i am lol :haha: |
awwww dammit!!! :mad: |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
Yup he commented in an interview in February 2005 he was working on Nyana 2, three months prior to ISOS4 being released. I guess it was a more marketable franchise.
However I am sitting here laughing how much benefit of the doubt you're attributing to Tijs in your comments. Granted it will take a full listen to form a proper viewpoint - but i'd actually advise you stick to just listening to the samples on the ISOS website...
That way the mixing cannot affect your judgement of the CD like ours. Disc 1 is pitched @ 130. I mean granted its ISOS, granted its getting housier even as ISOS goes... but ffs - half these tracks he pumps out in his sets at least at 135.
So anyone who has seen him live recently (including the HMH in December) or downloaded a mix from him recently, is going to be just laughing or comatose at how completely frustratingly slow the first few tracks are.
I just listened again the first disc, and the way it wraps up around the hour mark i'm thinking its near the end of the disc... but still 4 more tunes get thrown down before the close of the cd.
To find reasoning for the flow (or lack of) i'm thinking this is either a software based mix or just plain idleness.
Everyone agrees the tunes on the website are in general of a very high quality. The tune selection this year s all over ISOS4. But yet again, this sounds like Tijs didn't even bother to playback his recording to check if he got it right. Never mind actually sit down with engineers etc. and properly adjust any dodgy mix etc.
Colour My Eyes -> Empty Streets
(i know i already mentioned it but its so bad i just simply can't resist saying it again) The technique here is just thrown completely out the window (and why i think the mix was done on some dodgy software program) Colour My Eyes is already fading out when the final cuepoint is sounding, only for Empty Streets to not start for a clear 3-4 seconds after the cue point. Its an atrocious error for a professional DJ actually releasing a CD he can listen to 100s of times, perfect the mix, make it sound like its meant to go etc. But this looks like a "this one may go here" type attitude, that is throwing this cd together in 1 session, without any intention to make it work. The mix sits for about 20-30 seconds as Empty Streets gets going... while Colour My Eyes is just faded out.
Point being, fans who will have spent time downloading the HMH set or Duplex sets from last year - had better stick to those mp3's rather than bother buying this CD. Because just as those livesets actually sounded like Tijs was coming back and keeping it together - this mix is just hopelessly flawed.
Melody clashes, missed cue points and simply no attention to flow.
Despite the good tunes, i just can't listen to this again. Hopefully one of the release parties will be broadcast - so the fans who will undoubtedly feel the same as i have stated here can actually listen to these tunes in a far superior order and technique. |
Yeah I'll take your word for it. I was hoping, I guess..that he would have corrected things with this mix and actually have shown that he cared. I guess not, I dunno why he doesn't go over and over the mix to perfect it. I guess he's taking the route where "no one will care" attitude and just listen to the tunes, then he should have just made "radio mixes" with just short cuts instead of long mixes, as most trance and prog DJs tend to do. I guess Tiesto really doesn't give a about quality control, which is unfortunite, because I do believe, that mixing doesn't have to be 100% perfect, but it should be a lot better then what he's been delivering.
Either he's not as great of a DJ as people have made him and hyped him out to be (which I think is very well the case) or for these mixes, he's just concerned about the money and the quantity but not actually the quality of the product he's releasing. I think it's both, and that for some reason, he's just gone down hill in this department. Granted he's never been that great of a mixer, but there is a big difference in the quality of the mixing, I mean from his old sets, and from his older CDs, his mixing was much better then it is now. The mixing for the first three ISOS were quite good, and the mixing with the Magick series was good as well. I just feel he has a lot more potentional then what he's giving out on these CDs, and from his latest sets as you mentioned. I did listen to some of his HMH set, and the mixing wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either. So egh, I really like the tunes on this CD, and if they are ever released as singles, i'll just download them and play them and not worry about this CD. Maybe Armin will have some similar stuff on his ASOT 2006 CD, which I know will be mixed better, since Armin has always been a better mixer then Tiesto. But I wasn't too pleased with ASOT 2005, but I am just hoping ASOT 2006 will be better (although I never listen to his show anymore, and I'm not a huge Armin fan, but I don't want to give up on these guys completely yet, I still like trance). |
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