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The Lynch Appreciation Thread:: (for the ones that are aware...) (pg. 10)
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| Mitsutranza |
shawn05, Lynch is the partly because he's ing creepy ;)
malek: In my opinion Mulholland Drive is not his best movie, it's certainly not as hard to understand as some of his others (Lost Highway reserves that spot) but if you didn't like Mulholland Dr. I can't recommend you to watch his others because his movies are all kind of like that: hard to understand [especially if you dont finish it, then you'll be lost forever obviously :p], odd dialogue and characters appearing with no real connection to the main storyline etc. To me it seems like you just don't like mysteries...coz this movies is basically that up until a point and as I say, it's not as ed up as at least two other Lynch movies.
With those actors, set designs, lighting, music I really don't understand how it looked like a B-movie!! (The script I could understand you, but there is a good reason behind that which ties to the theme and storyline ;))
If you have time I'd say try watching it again, this time from start to finish and as a_c said pay attention to all the quirky characters and weird dialogue becuase it ALL ties up in the end man believe me!
Oh and if you really couldnt stand it and have no will to try rewatching I'd say give up on Lynch completely because Lost Highway and Eraserhead will make you even more confused and you'd kill urself during some points of Blue Velvet. Maybe try some of his lighter stuff: Elephant Man (hard movie to watch for different reasons), Wild at Heart (although if you thought M Dr. was B-movie you'll probably think this is C lol) or Sraight Story (didnt see this one actually, but I hear its the most non-Lynchian Lynch made so it could turn out to be your favorite!).
P:S: Respect for admring Kubrick, he is the master
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| aria_clubber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mitsutranza
malek: In my opinion Mulholland Drive is not his best movie, it's certainly not as hard to understand as some of his others (Lost Highway reserves that spot).
Oh and if you really couldnt stand it and have no will to try rewatching I'd say give up on Lynch completely because Lost Highway and Eraserhead will make you even more confused and you'd kill urself during some points of Blue Velvet.
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actually lost highway is not really meant to be understood...
yeah eraserhead is for sure the most D UP lynch film, might be the most d up movie ever.
i saw it, didnt get it, it.
ahahah joke ill watch it again and try to understand it, eraserhead is really what u can call SOMETHING ELSE. |
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| aria_clubber |
i've just finished mulholland drive ...
this movie is near PERFECT... i'd give it 10/10 and its about the 4th time i watch it !!
review another day, cuz i'd gotta give up some clues that i shouldn't give :D |
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| Marcus007 |
It's much deeper than it seems Malek. It took me like three viewings to finally understand the concept. Even now it isn't completely solved.
Lynch is great and all but I think he has a minimal range. His following is solid, yes, but I think there are so many other directors that maintain a great, compelling storyline without confusing the audience. I'll get flamed for this, but a movie should be unlocked by the end.Pointe Finale. Mulholland was layer after layer after layer. I want to be able to reach mainstream America. Everyone from you crazy ******s to the mother driving around her kids. Film is universal.
This is exactly why I respect Steven Spielberg so much. This icon has filled the gap between art and a profit. ET, Jurrasic Park, Minority Report, ing Shindler's list... need I say more? He's been able to tell such beautiful stories that everyone, regardless of age, sex, race, can understand.
I'm babbling. Sorry for veering off-topic.
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| Mitsutranza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
1. It's much deeper than it seems Malek. It took me like three viewings to finally understand the concept. Even now it isn't completely solved.
2. Lynch is great and all but I think he has a minimal range. His following is solid, yes, but I think there are so many other directors that maintain a great, compelling storyline without confusing the audience. I'll get flamed for this, but a movie should be unlocked by the end.Pointe Finale. Mulholland was layer after layer after layer. I want to be able to reach mainstream America. Everyone from you crazy ******s to the mother driving around her kids. Film is universal.
3. This is exactly why I respect Steven Spielberg so much. This icon has filled the gap between art and a profit. ET, Jurrasic Park, Minority Report, ing Shindler's list... need I say more? He's been able to tell such beautiful stories that everyone, regardless of age, sex, race, can understand.
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1. Mulholland Dr. is completely solvable I believe. Lynch gave ten clues on the DVD for us to figure it out and I doubt he'd go through that trouble just to help us figure out part of it or half or something (although Lynch is a little crazy so you never know, I'm not 100% sure but I think I'm right)
2. Hehehe, I dont agree with you that a movie should always be unlocked by the end. Depending on the storyline of course, sometimes it is better to leave it up to the audience to think about - to not completely solve everything in order for you to solve something, or for each individual audience member to use his/her own imagination and fill in the gap the way he/she wants. :D I like that coz the movies have great rewatchable value and they leave different impressions on people and (in a more bigger-scheme-of-things kind of way) affect their life in a unique way.
3. Reading No. 2 made me think this was coming :) Spielberg is the master of mainstream, the man knows the industry like the back of his hand and is the most successful filmmaker ever probably. Personally for me, and Ill get flamed for this hehe, but that really doesnt move me at all. I respect Spielberg A LOT becuase he is a master entertainer (hmm, ill say used to be) and because of his keen business sense of knowing exactly what kind of movie to direct and and when to release.
His movies are great, some are excellent, but none of his movies are near my favorite. Schindler's List is his best film because it was his most serious and what he's been doing lately hasn't been all that. I haven't seen Munich but I'm talking about everything post-Saving Private Ryan (including that one, coz I thought Thin Red Line was waaaaaay better and completely underrated and overshadowed by SPR)... that great feeling that you have when u watch Indiana Jones, E.T., Jaws and Close Encounters is lost....
all in all, I think Spielberg is mostly about profit. He's doing Indiana Jones 4 with a 70 year old Harrison Ford....I mean...come on!! I will always love his older stuff like some I mentioned above that will remind me of my youth (I LOVED his stuff when i was a kid) but other directors that struggle and take time to make their movies and who usually end up being booed by critics, loved by a few, hated by a few, confusing the rest, being overal contraversial but not letting anyone get in the way of their idea/vision/message are the directors I most admire: Kubrick, Tarantino, Lynch, Terry Gilliam, Milos Forman, Aronofsky, PT Anderson, Scorsese (Goodfellas and anything before especially)...thats like a short list of American-English Lang. directors.
Europe and the rest of the world is a whole different story, that's where real film lives ;)
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| aria_clubber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
Lynch is great and all but I think he has a minimal range. His following is solid, yes, but I think there are so many other directors that maintain a great, compelling storyline without confusing the audience. I'll get flamed for this, but a movie should be unlocked by the end.Pointe Finale. Mulholland was layer after layer after layer.
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everything to understand mulholland drive is in the movie, u just have to pay attention to the small things u dont pay attention to in REGULAR movies ;) |
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| aria_clubber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
I'll get flamed for this, but a movie should be unlocked by the end.Pointe Finale. |
man WTF !?!?!?!?
there should be NO RULES with films . POINT FINALE.
A director should be able to show ANYTHING he wants and the way he wants to the audience... and if they dont like it, fukk off !!
Personnally i appreciate a complicated movie, that u might not be able to understand it the first time, that u gotta make ur brain work a bit u know, it won't hurt trust me. Did u see 2001: A Space Oddissy ? the ending isn't unlocked and shouldn't be, the movie ends in the way kubrick decided it , he just shows u his film, and at the end, you will have to think yourself about the theory on this film, about the meaning of it. not for him to show u the way, he gives u ideas, and u will have to work on them urself so u make ur own philosophy about it. man thinking about space oddissy makes me wanna watch it right now loll.
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
I want to be able to reach mainstream America. Everyone from you crazy ******s to the mother driving around her kids. Film is universal. |
What you just said is exactly if i was saying, omg i wanna reach all america with my music, ill make crap music like tiesto, so everyone will love me like jesus.
hmmm well this is ur personnaly choice, to go universal, to touch the main dumb robotic north american population. personnaly as an audiance i would be searching for a more intellectual audiance than ''the average north american empty, closed minded people''...
I wouldn't wanna make a film just so it goes #1 at the weekly box office and that millions of stupid americans go waste their money on it while eating their popcorn.
sorry for being that honest about what i think about 99% of north america...
and if any of u gonna tell me if u dont like it here get the fukk out, well im getting the fukk out as soon as possible from here ...
far from this closed minded, cold, dumb, population, controlled by a society where the only reason of existing is consommation...
PFFFF PATHETIC
ps. NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE !!!
markus don't take it personnaly, u know we're cool.
I just said my opinion. ;) |
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| Marcus007 |
I understand how you're passionate on this matter. Let me explain further.
1) Yes, Mulholland Drive is solvable. I understand the film and the concept, don't get me wrong. My problem is that 89% of the moviegoers who saw that film didn't understand it. Furthermore, these 89% didn't even care to a) check IMDB for hints b) buy the DVD or c) use their imaginations to come up with an understanding. I think Lynch has made a masterpiece with Mulholland and I see the genius in him. I'm just saying that I... personally... as a filmmaker... want to hit a more universal level with my filmmaking. IT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE TO MAKE A STUPID MOVE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. It just means I need to balance art and a profit.
2) Hakim, I'm sorry but I've seen this first hand, filmmakers work with a set of limitations on a constant basis. I dare any new filmmaker to enter a studio boardroom and try to pitch Mulholland Drive. Plainly put: it won't work. He'll be laughed at. Why? Because the 21st century filmmaker is working with a massive list of things he can and cannot do. It's the reality of the business. No two ways around it. I agree that a director SHOULD be able to show anything he wants to the audience... but by the way Hollywood is going... the audience will never see a splice of the director's film.
3) Take Donnie Darko for example. Richard Kelly. I'm sure you've all seen it. He found the financing himself and managed to pull off a solid independant film. There were layers after layers of twists and I thought it turned out well. Richard Kelly hasn't made a movie since then... do you know why? Because his film made a piss poor showing at the box office and no one will trust him with another one. Yes, I know he has a new one coming out soon, but this is almost four years after Donnie Darko. FOUR YEARS! This further explains how filmmakers are set with makem or breakem guidelines and rules.
4) Using a music example... you can be an Armin Van Buuren or you can be a Richie Hawtin. Both are talented yet one hits 397265528x more people than the other. Can you guess who and why? It's a perfect example.
5) It doesn't matter if you go searching for the more intellectually gifted audiences. You won't get a movie aimed at just that category of people. Why? BECAUSE IT WON'T MAKE MONEY. NO ONE WILL GIVE YOU CASH TO MAKE IT! You need to balance the two and find a comprising situation so that you get to make your film and that they get to pay for it.
6) I agree, 80% of America is brainless. I'll admit it. America, compared to Europe, is a heavily fortified faux-art film business based on predictable twists and ugly dialogue. You cannot fight the studio system unless you move to France and live as an outcast a la Polansky. If you want to make movies in America you need to play their game, not yours. It's like that in any business. You think DJs just jump into afterhours and play marathon sets? Of course not, they work their way up in cheesy clubs playing club anthems. NO ONE CAN JUST JUMP INTO THE RING WITH ALI. After you make it big as a successful director (financially successful) more and more people will be open to trusting you with a more artistic film. Everyone's gotta eat their to get to the top.
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| Ravemontreal |
I fully understand Malek for not liking Mullholland Drive, ESPECIALLY if you stopped at 90 minutes. That's where the movie really brings it to the next level. Most part of it is just a set-up to what is going to happen. If you don't reach The silentio theater part, than the movie as not started yet.
You can even think "what the is wrong with this bad acting?" at first, and then BANG. It hits you, it was wonderful acting, because it was intentional that the acting was off in the first part.
But I don't recommend that movie for most people. And really not to those who have a cartesian mind, expecting a plot, or a clear ending. After seeing it so many times, some things I still don't understand. But that's the beauty of it, Mulolland drive si not about the story, it,s really about a feeling. And that movie broke my heart.
It's not about a car accident, or the lesbian scene... it's about unreturned love, broken dreams. It's about how life can suck you up in darkness, and being scared.
F*ck I love this movie. |
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| malek |
| i actually started forwarding at the middle of the silentio scene... i just couldn't take it anymore, i hated her voice and the movie was going nowhere... |
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| Ravemontreal |
| quote: | | In my opinion Mulholland Drive is not his best movie, |
The way I see it, each movie is about striking an emotion. It either gets to you or not. The reason why I like MD most, is simply because it got to me in a way Lost highway or Blue Velvet didn't. They are all equally great, but I guess he puts a finger on something that is burried in you. And I really felt strong about MD.
And they are all so different. Lost Highway is a scary ride. MD as something more beautiful about it, less dark and perverse. I just can't compare the movies on a technical side.
Eraserhead is great I guess, but just didn't get to me, at all. |
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| aria_clubber |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
i actually started forwarding at the middle of the silentio scene... i just couldn't take it anymore, i hated her voice and the movie was going nowhere... |
to tell u the truth , imo the whole film is explained in that silencio scene.
u just have to read between the lines my friend. ;) |
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