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The Lynch Appreciation Thread:: (for the ones that are aware...) (pg. 11)
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| aria_clubber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ravemontreal
If you don't reach The silentio theater part, than the movie as not started yet.
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That scene is one of the most beautiful scene i've seen in cinema history, from the begining of the scene where the camera flows with the wind to the Silencio Club doors, till the blue box at the end of the scene. that scene is just something else, soo intelligent, soo beautiful, soo emotional.
god i love this movie, gonna watch it tonight again :D |
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| Marcus007 |
| That woman has such a beautiful voice... such a mesmerizing scene indeed. |
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| Ravemontreal |
When she falls, and the voice keeps on singing.... man! so powerful.
The scene in the dinner when the guy is so scared from is dream.
And the expresso mafia guy....
"this is the girl."
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Well, just stop for a little second and
think about it. Will ya do that for me?
ADAM
Okay, I'm thinking.
COWBOY
No. You're too busy being a smart aleck
to be thinkin'. Now I want ya to think
and quit bein' such a smart aleck. Can ya
do that for me? |
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| aria_clubber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
I understand how you're passionate on this matter. Let me explain further.
1) Yes, Mulholland Drive is solvable. I understand the film and the concept, don't get me wrong. My problem is that 89% of the moviegoers who saw that film didn't understand it. Furthermore, these 89% didn't even care to a) check IMDB for hints b) buy the DVD or c) use their imaginations to come up with an understanding. I think Lynch has made a masterpiece with Mulholland and I see the genius in him. I'm just saying that I... personally... as a filmmaker... want to hit a more universal level with my filmmaking. IT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE TO MAKE A STUPID MOVE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. It just means I need to balance art and a profit.
2) Hakim, I'm sorry but I've seen this first hand, filmmakers work with a set of limitations on a constant basis. I dare any new filmmaker to enter a studio boardroom and try to pitch Mulholland Drive. Plainly put: it won't work. He'll be laughed at. Why? Because the 21st century filmmaker is working with a massive list of things he can and cannot do. It's the reality of the business. No two ways around it. I agree that a director SHOULD be able to show anything he wants to the audience... but by the way Hollywood is going... the audience will never see a splice of the director's film.
3) Take Donnie Darko for example. Richard Kelly. I'm sure you've all seen it. He found the financing himself and managed to pull off a solid independant film. There were layers after layers of twists and I thought it turned out well. Richard Kelly hasn't made a movie since then... do you know why? Because his film made a piss poor showing at the box office and no one will trust him with another one. Yes, I know he has a new one coming out soon, but this is almost four years after Donnie Darko. FOUR YEARS! This further explains how filmmakers are set with makem or breakem guidelines and rules.
4) Using a music example... you can be an Armin Van Buuren or you can be a Richie Hawtin. Both are talented yet one hits 397265528x more people than the other. Can you guess who and why? It's a perfect example.
5) It doesn't matter if you go searching for the more intellectually gifted audiences. You won't get a movie aimed at just that category of people. Why? BECAUSE IT WON'T MAKE MONEY. NO ONE WILL GIVE YOU CASH TO MAKE IT! You need to balance the two and find a comprising situation so that you get to make your film and that they get to pay for it.
6) I agree, 80% of America is brainless. I'll admit it. America, compared to Europe, is a heavily fortified faux-art film business based on predictable twists and ugly dialogue. You cannot fight the studio system unless you move to France and live as an outcast a la Polansky. If you want to make movies in America you need to play their game, not yours. It's like that in any business. You think DJs just jump into afterhours and play marathon sets? Of course not, they work their way up in cheesy clubs playing club anthems. NO ONE CAN JUST JUMP INTO THE RING WITH ALI. After you make it big as a successful director (financially successful) more and more people will be open to trusting you with a more artistic film. Everyone's gotta eat their to get to the top.
I don't think many will actually read my post. |
yeah i know what u mean, and thanks for taking ur time to answer :)
my opinion is just that in any art sector, me i would choose art itself over money. its good to make some money for sure so u can live and be happy of what u accomplished...
as in mulholland drive .... : ''everything is an illusion''
and money is really.
But i know what u mean, with directors that are not allowed to make their movie as they please and , cuz the producers will always say something , take off this, put on that ...
yeah hollywood is really going down man, its made of people who wanna get rich and not ppl who really are part of the cinema culture.
+ now movies is all about profits, they dont care if the film can be oone of the best films of all time, if it doesnt make 1$ that, they dont wanna take the risk to lose money for a an art piece ,cuz they dont believe in this art anymore.
Films of 2005, ahahah what a laugh, i almost let down cinema last year cuz i thought there is no more hope, well acutally there isnt alot of hope that good cinema comes back, but some directors will always have to love of their work and with help of god will deliver us some masterpieces in next years.
These days are d , the direcotors are out of nowhere. They dunno what they're doing , they just follow the rule #1 : PLEASE THE AUDIENCE, MAKE EM LAUGH, AND U'LL GET PAID . loll PATHETIC
yeah i know what u mean by starting slow with easier stuff and and then after making ur name going in the write direction.
Thing is this is a vicious circle, when ull get in the business and see how it is, u will be so dependent of this illusion of security thing called ''money'' that u will become like all the others man.
that's what's make someone special, having the guts to go in his way, not their way.
its only my opinion, u dont have to listen to me if u dont want markuss ;) . i like being in confrontation with the system ehehe. |
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| aria_clubber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ravemontreal
When she falls, and the voice keeps on singing.... man! so powerful.
The scene in the dinner when the guy is so scared from is dream.
And the expresso mafia guy....
"this is the girl."
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ahahha the mafia guy, such a Lynch typical character ahaha so good
and when he drings his coffee and finds that its and throws it away ahahha omg. |
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| Marcus007 |
Hakim, 2005 wasn't all that bad. Have you seen Capote? It ing blew me away. Have you seen Good Night and Good Luck? Another killer film. Jarhead? Another excellent one.
The money means nothing to me. Chances are, the money doesn't even mean that much to today's directors. It's the studio that cares about the money.
Myself as an artists, money is just a byproduct. You make a good movie, a good script, a good performance, ANYTHING, and the money will follow afterwards. It's just getting the first part done that's tricky.
In the studio system it's their ball game, not yours. You have a brilliant script that you're dying to get made? Too bad, you don't have 15 million dollars. Art, Hollywood art, is a fine balance of comprises and changes. Change this and we'll give you this... it's all political.
Hollywood doesn't believe in art anymore. There are now only a handful of directors who actually believe in the they're filming. Look at the hack Brett Ratner... the guy is a freaking joke.
Fight the good fight for as long as you can Hakim. I've seen the bs first hand and I can't stand it either. :X
BY THE WAY, if I could be any character in a film, I'd choose Adam the director from Mulholland Drive. He's such a workable character... ahhhhh why wasn't I a bit older... :( |
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| aria_clubber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
Hakim, 2005 wasn't all that bad. Have you seen Capote? It ing blew me away. Have you seen Good Night and Good Luck? Another killer film. Jarhead? Another excellent one.
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i've seen capote with nick and i dunno, phillip seymour's hoffman performance was great, but the movie itself soso.
jarhead was great.
but what im searching for are those really good independant films mostly.
i'd like to watch a new film and be soo impressed that i'd give it 10/10 !
last movie that impressed me the most is City of God made in 2002.
after this no near as good movies as before imo.
hope it'll come back this year, since aronofsky, scorsese, lynch... are comming out with new movies.:) |
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| Marcus007 |
Capote is a film that I'd normally consider boring as but Philip's performance just gave it this burst of energy that kept me enthralled. I dunno, I think it was the best film of 2005.
Yeah... we got a good year ahead of us imo. :) |
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| aria_clubber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
Yeah... we got a good year ahead of us imo. :) |
yeah man !!!
ahah i love it , our thread was a succes :gsmile: 1100 views yessssss 11 pages yesssssssssss
cinema rocks |
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| Marcus007 |
Anyone into Quebec cinema?
CRAZY blew me away this year... What a film... :o |
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| aria_clubber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
Anyone into Quebec cinema?
CRAZY blew me away this year... What a film... :o |
quebec cinema is alright sometimes.
CRAZY was really good, but the best quebec movie i've seen is by far Les Invasion Barbares. Such a powerful movie, i might even add it on my list of DVDs to buy. |
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| Mitsutranza |
| quote: | Originally posted by aria_clubber
quebec cinema is alright sometimes.
CRAZY was really good, but the best quebec movie i've seen is by far Les Invasion Barbares. Such a powerful movie, i might even add it on my list of DVDs to buy. |
Barbarian Invasions is Quebecer??? I've always wanted to see it...
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4) Using a music example... you can be an Armin Van Buuren or you can be a Richie Hawtin. Both are talented yet one hits 397265528x more people than the other. Can you guess who and why? It's a perfect example.
5) It doesn't matter if you go searching for the more intellectually gifted audiences. You won't get a movie aimed at just that category of people. Why? BECAUSE IT WON'T MAKE MONEY. NO ONE WILL GIVE YOU CASH TO MAKE IT! You need to balance the two and find a comprising situation so that you get to make your film and that they get to pay for it. |
4) Taking the music analogy, Id rather be the Hawtin than the AVB of cinema...lesser known, not as rich, not as successful, but never losing sight of my idea and having my team that sticks by me and a handful of people in the world that understand what I'm all about. I actually wouldn't want everyone to see my movies hehe...
5) The directors I mentioned above like Tarantino, Kubrick, Lynch etc. always struggle to make their films, take their sweetass time, (Aronofsky's last film was 1998!!!!!!!!) but at the end they make their money (otherwise they wouldnt be able to continue making more films) and they get a good following, respect from a fair amount of people etc.
Either way, I know exactly what you mean when you talk about money and how art is dead in Hollywood. The directors in Hollywood that manage to work within those limitations and still manage to save their artistic idea and present it in the way they want, are the ones I pay close attention to.
Mulholland. Dr: The coffee scene in the boardroom, the cowboy, the diner scene when we first see "the box" and the dinner at Adam's house when all the characters appear again are my favorite scenes. Naomi Watts gave her best perforamce in this movie.
Justin Theroux (Adam) is in Lynch's new movie Inland Empire :D
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