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rememberance day (pg. 13)
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
then what is wrong to paying tribute to those who did what was needed? |
exactly, it isn't "I agree with the Iraq war" day it is a day of respect for those who have given their service and/or their lives in all historical conflicts. It isn't a celebration of the conflict, but of the personal sacrifice. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
then what is wrong with paying tribute to those who did what was needed? |
Because i will not celebrate the killings of people.
I will not argue this war was useless, as it wasnt. Yet you want me to rejoice or "remember"
I shall do no such thing. Plus maybe, and this is just me, that i am putting every idiot who has served in the military in the same level as they are. |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
You really need to stop talking now. You've succeeded in illustrating that you have next to no knowledge of the history being commemorated on Nov. 11 and that you are far too focused by the present political environment to see past it to the larger picture. You've made your point... you think anyone that volunteers for the military does so because they are s. By continuing to argue here while paying no regard to the tremendous sacrifices of those that who by their sacrifice safeguarded your right to make your idiotic argument you are simply illustrating that you are also an ... an ignorant one at that.
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and he also forgets that historically speaking, not everyone who fights in a war actually volunteered for the military. The lack of a wartime draft is a relatively new thing |
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| elFreak |
how is taking a simple 2 minutes to observe silence in respect of those fallen a celebration?
you sure that superior education you are getting is working?
no one is throwing a party here, what happened was horrible, but needed to be done. You even said it yourself. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
Because i will not celebrate the killings of people.
I will not argue this war was useless, as it wasnt. Yet you want me to rejoice or "remember" |
You are not celebrating killing, you're commemorating the sacrifices made to allow you the life you enjoy. |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
Because i will not celebrate the killings of people.
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you are not celebrating the killings of people, you are respecting the personal sacrifice made by those who served regardless of the conflict or the side they were on. you should be able to see the difference there. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
how is taking a simple 2 minutes to observe silence in respect of those fallen a celebration?
you sure that superior education you are getting is working? |
Well as discussed previously in this thread, the term is used loosely. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by XaNaX
and he also forgets that historically speaking, not everyone who fights in a war actually volunteered for the military. The lack of a wartime draft is a relatively new thing |
Actually, he did state that he honours those that were conscripted to service (a few pages back). |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
Well as discussed previously in this thread, the term is used loosely. |
*facepalm* |
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| Frenchie |
| It's not just celebrating or remembering the fact that they got killed ( or the safe returns of our living veterans) I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have the balls to do what they did, go where they went, and fought what they fought. We remember and thank the courage and bravery that those young men and their families had to go through to help us get to where we are now. |
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| zoogla |
| moral, like all keyboard warriors, u take one part of my opinion and spin it to make it something entirely different. i expect that on the web, especially from ppl like jay who like to take the piss, and you too, on occasion, but you know as well as i do that i don't think all volunteers are s. there are obviously people out there who want to make a difference. i think there are other ways to make a difference than willfully making yourself a pawn for a government that has made decisions you personally don't believe in. which is what i think is going on today (as you correctly pointed out--most of my grievance has to do with today's conflict). but i DO understand the history of the matter, and i think back to the cavalier attitude that MANY young men had about the great wars and I don't understand how you can have such tremendous blind faith in them, treating them like gods. like wtf is that? it's like a worship day. i feel like the sentiment that some of you have is overkill. |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Actually, he did state that he honours those that were conscripted to service (a few pages back). |
that is so generous of him. like those who joined as a way to earn a living and support their family and then get shipped off to fight in some conflict in a foreign land deserve any less respect. |
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