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rememberance day (pg. 16)
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
i blame arch duke ferdinand. |
If he had just been standing a few inches to the left... |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
I am tired of always having to ing bring this story out in these gung-ho bbq bull threads.
A friend of mine's Grandfather died in WW2, in Italy. He was an American soldier whose job was to basically Scout the fields alone and report enemy movement so that planes would know where to drop bombs. There's probably a word for it, but I don't know what it is because the job has no doubt been replaced by computers in recent times. Anyways, the guy decides to sleep in a seemingly abandoned farmhouse loft when, in the middle of the night, a band of German Soldiers also happens across the farmhouse and decides it would be a nice place to sleep as well. The American went quite undetected for several hours before finally deciding to radio in his very own location for bombing. The American sacrificed himself in order to protect his far-off homeland from being threatened by the oppressing Nazi menace. He's a hero, in the purest sense of you ing people's terms and a shining example of what it means to be a patriot.
In reality, the choice of one man deciding to make such a great ing sacrifice deprived his family of his presence for the rest of their lives. An act of sacrifice took with it several other German men whose families no doubt missed them dearly as well. It was a selfish act, one of bloodlust and the typical proselytization of the self-sacrificing Xtian hegemony we are brought up to live and die so valiantly for. Basically, it's bull, ing all of it. There is nothing noble about getting yourself killed merely out of the sake of collective idealism or whatever other reason frightened children justify to themselves as a worthwhile purpose to serve. I seriously doubt that anyone here is arguing the fact that many, many millions of people have served and died in wars, unjustly or not, or that this is truly a tragic thing. But then for some of you to say that it is glorious, that it is a celebration of the fighting human spirit - don't ing start with semantics because it's apparent some of you actually believe this - is truly a slap in the face of everyone who has ever died from the misadventure of idealistic nations, uniformed or not.
And then for some of you to become quite disdainful that this is being related to current wars... it's proof that nothing has been gained by the deaths of those whom you celebrate. That fact that man's inhumanity to man has no end is discredit enough to such a holiday of enormous conceit and pompous display of pride unearned by those espousing it, some of you have the audacity to further claim that the very concept of freedom is owed - OWED, as in a DEBT OF FREEDOM - well, that sort of destroys the image, now doesnt it? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
omg so ww2 is the fabric of our souls. holy i had no idea you held it that importantly. |
Like it or hate it; the Second Great World is the most influential event of the past 150 years... well, if you consider that WWII is really just a consequence of WWI then I guess it's the second most influential event of the past 150 years. |
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| elFreak |
| halcyon...some of us saw the thread you made before you stopped posting a while back. ;) |
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| Frenchie |
| Right. And none of us would be ballsy enough to do what grandparents did or had to do.I know I'd probably be a coward and run with my tail between my legs unless MADE to. So for the people bitching, complaining, whining about it all...you really have no right to. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
In reality, the choice of one man deciding to make such a great ing sacrifice deprived his family of his presence for the rest of their lives. An act of sacrifice took with it several other German men whose families no doubt missed them dearly as well. It was a selfish act, one of bloodlust and the typical proselytization of the self-sacrificing Xtian hegemony we are brought up to live and die so valiantly for. Basically, it's bull, ing all of it. There is nothing noble about getting yourself killed merely out of the sake of collective idealism or whatever other reason frightened children justify to themselves as a worthwhile purpose to serve. I seriously doubt that anyone here is arguing the fact that many, many millions of people have served and died in wars, unjustly or not, or that this is truly a tragic thing. But then for some of you to say that it is glorious, that it is a celebration of the fighting human spirit - don't ing start with semantics because it's apparent some of you actually believe this - is truly a slap in the face of everyone who has ever died from the misadventure of idealistic nations, uniformed or not. |
He may also have saved many more men from suffering the same fate therefore spared the sacrifice of many.
I suppose you believe that all should just lie down in the face of aggression? |
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| wienerschnitzel |
| i never said i felt it was glorious or that it is a celebration of the fighting human spirit. i was just wanting to remember my family members who did something i would never have the balls to do. i don't understand why this is causing you so much grief?:conf: |
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| elFreak |
| he would rather sacrifice himself for nothing. ;) |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by wienerschnitzel
i never said i felt it was glorious or that it is a celebration of the fighting human spirit. i was just wanting to remember my family members who did something i would never have the balls to do. i don't understand why this is causing you so much grief?:conf: |
Because you're not just wanting to remember your family. If it were just that, you wouldn't have made a thread about it. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I suppose you believe that all should just lie down in the face of aggression? |
No, quite the opposite. But I, unlike others, do not delude myself into thinking there is something noble or righteous about it. |
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| wienerschnitzel |
| quote: | Originally posted by wienerschnitzel
am i the only one that remembered? who all celebrates this? |
this is the first post in the thread i created. i remembered, who else? what's the big deal? |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
No, quite the opposite. But I, unlike others, do not delude myself into thinking there is something noble or righteous about it. |
if someone you know gets murdered because someone called the cops and they never came, is that a good thing?
would those cops be noble for not going? |
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