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rememberance day (pg. 17)
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
Right. And none of us would be ballsy enough to do what grandparents did or had to do.I know I'd probably be a coward and run with my tail between my legs unless MADE to. So for the people bitching, complaining, whining about it all...you really have no right to. |
No RIGHT? I thought that's what this was all about - the rights given by the dead. If I have no right - no freedom - then I obviously don't owe them a ing thing, huh? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
if someone you know gets murdered because someone called the cops and they never came, is that a good thing?
would those cops be noble for not going? |
No, because whatever they do, they're still cops. :stongue:
But apparently, the murderer should get a ing holiday... |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
No, quite the opposite. But I, unlike others, do not delude myself into thinking there is something noble or righteous about it. |
I don't follow your logic. How exactly is there no nobility in defending your countrymen, your family, from a hostile force? |
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| Frenchie |
I don't think you have the right to sit here and say oh well why should I respect this, remember this, who were these people? I don't know them blablabla they didn't do anything for me. That's such bull.
Why are you getting so upset? You can leave now. |
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| elFreak |
| or saving a population from extermination for no other reason than religion? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
I don't think you have the right to sit here and say oh well why should I respect this, remember this, who were these people? I don't know them blablabla they didn't do anything for me. That's such bull.
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He has the right to say whatever he choses, we have the right to agree or disagree, even to challenge him. |
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| Frenchie |
| Fine, but I think he's wrong. CHALLENGE! |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I don't follow your logic. How exactly is there no nobility in defending your countrymen, your family, from a hostile force? |
Because 'nobility' is a myth sold to the lower class in order to coax them into doing whatever you want them to do in the name of righteousness. If you're talking about the mere prospect of self-defense as a reaction, the justification is in survival, not in pride in one's nation. |
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| Frenchie |
| . I have my star on, too. And no I'm not kidding. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
or saving a population from extermination for no other reason than religion? |
now now Jay, let's not delude ourselves into thinking any of the Allies were all that concerned about saving the Jews (or slavs, or the mentally handicapped, or gypsies, or artists other then realists, or any group targeted in the holocaust that I may have forgotten). The Allies knew of the concentration and later extermination camps in 1942... they had the ability to bomb them or the apparatus supporting them but chose not to because they didn't want to have to land their long range bombers in the Soviet Union (because Stalin would have seized them). There were many reasons the Allies fought the war but stopping the holocaust was pretty low on the priority list.
Just being real. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
I don't think you have the right to sit here and say oh well why should I respect this, remember this, who were these people? I don't know them blablabla they didn't do anything for me. That's such bull.
Why are you getting so upset? You can leave now. |
I think you're assuming ignorance on my part merely to compensate for your own. |
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