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rememberance day (pg. 14)
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
*facepalm* |
Well carry on eating your ribs and commemorating soldiers  |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
moral, like all keyboard warriors, u take one part of my opinion and spin it to make it something entirely different. i expect that on the web, especially from ppl like jay who like to take the piss, and you too, on occasion, but you know as well as i do that i don't think all volunteers are s. there are obviously people out there who want to make a difference. i think there are other ways to make a difference than willfully making yourself a pawn for a government that has made decisions you personally don't believe in. which is what i think is going on today (as you correctly pointed out--most of my grievance has to do with today's conflict). but i DO understand the history of the matter, and i think back to the cavalier attitude that MANY young men had about the great wars and I don't understand how you can have such tremendous blind faith in them, treating them like gods. like wtf is that? it's like a worship day. i feel like the sentiment that some of you have is overkill. |
even i have my limits when it comes to being a jackass. I am proud of people like my grandfather who even though forced, made a difference in the world we live in. |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
moral, like all keyboard warriors, u take one part of my opinion and spin it to make it something entirely different. i expect that on the web, especially from ppl like jay who like to take the piss, and you too, on occasion, but you know as well as i do that i don't think all volunteers are s. there are obviously people out there who want to make a difference. i think there are other ways to make a difference than willfully making yourself a pawn for a government that has made decisions you personally don't believe in. which is what i think is going on today (as you correctly pointed out--most of my grievance has to do with today's conflict). but i DO understand the history of the matter, and i think back to the cavalier attitude that MANY young men had about the great wars and I don't understand how you can have such tremendous blind faith in them, treating them like gods. like wtf is that? it's like a worship day. i feel like the sentiment that some of you have is overkill. |
how is 2 minutes of silence = to treating someone like a god. Two minutes isn't a lot to give someone who prevented me from having to wear a swastika and worship Hitler and who kept people who were of "undesirable" race or religion out of labor camps and gas chambers. |
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| Frenchie |
| Maybe it's different for people who were born or live or both in the countries that were involved, that had family members involved (still alive or not), and maybe who care? I don't know how you can't care. Not understanding is one thing but that shouldn't shelter you from not paying respects even if you don't think respect is needed after all these years. |
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| wienerschnitzel |
| seriously, i was just wondering who else observed this holiday.. if you choose not to, ok. if you do, hey me too! |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by XaNaX
like those who joined as a way to earn a living and support their family and then get shipped off to fight in some conflict in a foreign land deserve any less respect. |
my whole point is that people who joined for that reason should EXPECT that possibility and we shouldn't feel any extra sympathy. they joined the military like you or i joined the domestic economy to support our families AND the economy. We keep the economy going so that the people fighting wherever today, have some wealth to come back to (lol okay maybe bankers aren't doing such a good job lol) but I dunno...like nacho, I am very much against war (but agree that WW2 had to happen) and so it should be remembrance day for WW2 only (even WW1 was a bit overglorified). |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by XaNaX
who kept people who were of "undesirable" race or religion out of labor camps and gas chambers. |
lol funny thing is japs and chinese were still forced into labour at subpar compensation well after WW2 in Canada. |
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| wienerschnitzel |
| it's also funny that first nations people were forced into residential schools until the 70's.. but hey i guess canada isn't perfect :gsmile: |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
Maybe it's different for people who were born or live or both in the countries that were involved, that had family members involved (still alive or not), and maybe who care? I don't know how you can't care. Not understanding is one thing but that shouldn't shelter you from not paying respects even if you don't think respect is needed after all these years. |
it should not be any different as the freedoms they enjoy and the reasons their ancestors chose to come to their adopted homeland are the same ones we fought for. |
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| zoogla |
| right, so point being hitler or no hitler, we still had pretty ed up racist values of our own that took decades of internal social evolution to counter, not foreign policy which was basically whatever the US or Britain did. Canada was always a gimp according to my historical studies. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
moral, like all keyboard warriors, u take one part of my opinion and spin it to make it something entirely different. i expect that on the web, especially from ppl like jay who like to take the piss, and you too, on occasion, but you know as well as i do that i don't think all volunteers are s. there are obviously people out there who want to make a difference. i think there are other ways to make a difference than willfully making yourself a pawn for a government that has made decisions you personally don't believe in. which is what i think is going on today (as you correctly pointed out--most of my grievance has to do with today's conflict). but i DO understand the history of the matter, and i think back to the cavalier attitude that MANY young men had about the great wars and I don't understand how you can have such tremendous blind faith in them, treating them like gods. like wtf is that? it's like a worship day. i feel like the sentiment that some of you have is overkill. |
I'll accept that some people volunteered for dubious reasons, others for honorable ones. In the Second Great War my maternal grandfather volunteered the very day Canada declared war on Germany... he did so because he wanted to help free his ancestral home (his father was born in Germany) of the Nazis and because he feared German aggression would threaten the entire world. My paternal grandfather volunteered when he learned that conscription would be enacted because he feared being conscripted and though volunteering was more honorable. So one grandfather joined because he wanted to help rid the world of Nazism, the other joined because he figured he's have to go anyway and choosing to was better then being forced. One of them landed on Juno beach where his closest friend was promptly shot and a fragment of the bullet that killed his friend exited his friend and tore his knee open. He continued to fight and eventually made it off the beach despite dragging his right leg and suffering a life long impairment. The other served in a field ambulance crew and lost two partners to land mines while recovering wounded soldiers going on to be deathly frightened of loud noises and flashes of light for the rest of his life. I don't think it matters which joined for which reason as their actions were equally noble and their sacrifices equally appreciated. |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
right, so point being hitler or no hitler, we still had pretty ed up racist values of our own that took decades of internal social evolution to counter, not foreign policy which was basically whatever the US or Britain did. Canada was always a gimp according to my historical studies. |
then your parents chose to come to gimpland which makes them super gimps (that smell like curry). |
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