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2006... the year international talent sucked hard in Toronto (pg. 6)
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| She_Fitz |
| quote: | Originally posted by electro funk
didnt u just give me for saying the same thing in another thread? |
I believe you were accused of shameless self promotion..
| quote: | Originally posted by cenik
+1.
Blank and Jones were en incredible in Aug! Sander was just unforgettable @ 10 yr. Armin was great in Sept. |
Not to take away from either of your experiences at all.. but having seen what some of these guys can do on an international level.. they just drop the ball in TO. You still have the advantage that it is all relatively new.. so everything is amazing. I remember the good old days :D
The longer you do it..the more your tastes refine. Music is like food, wine anything that you have a passion about..
A good example - Tiesto. There are a lot of people who really enjoyed the show while others who have seen him many times over the years were very disappointed. Having lived and experienced the December 2002 show.. I know what the man is capable of. When I read in the review thread that Nada left early.. I can only imagine that the show did not live up to the potiential he has inside. |
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| jon jon |
| lol holy ing can of worms |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by She_Fitz
When I read in the review thread that Nada left early.. I can only imagine that the show did not live up to the potiential he has inside. |
Yeah, but dont think she left bc of hte music did she, something else happened that she had to leave.
(i havent read the thread, so maybe she did leave for that reason, but i heard about what else ty happened) |
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| She_Fitz |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
lol holy ing can of worms |
You seem to be quite good at this lately.. :)
Makes for a enjoyable read... and lets me reflect on my kick ass year.. I can't complain. |
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| rabbitjoker |
A few idle ramblings:
I think the commentary in this thread (that many DJs "drop the ball" when in TO) is very much reflective of the TO club market.
Basically - Toronto has such a voracious appetite for EDM music/DJs that almost any DJ can perform in this city, play a mediocre or average set and people will still patronize the DJ and clubs that book them.
Big name DJ's seem to repeatedly come to Toronto and not even "show up" (Morillo, Tiesto, etc) - yet we know they have the talent since we hear about amazing performances in other cities, we see their status continue to climb through productions and other work.
It is an interesting concept to consider; regardless of quality factors, Toronto seems to consume DJ performances en masse no matter what.
The same parallel can be said for venues in this city. There are only a few venues with quality sound and an interesting atmosphere - but even those without both still seem to draw a crowd.
For a DJ this is great (people will come and support you irrespective of your performance, no matter what your repertoire, regardless of venue) but for the music enthusiast this is not such a good thing (DJs don't bring their "A-game", early developing DJs get gigs before they are ready, performances are held in quasi-clubs).
Personally I do not believe that local DJs are exempt from the above conclusion (TO club-goers will go out to see DJs regardless of talent/quality/repertoire/venue). Small and big names alike - every weekend there are events with average talent playing average sets at average venues.
I don't mean to offend "up and coming" talent or people enthusiastic about the scene -- but I for one find myself becoming increasingly "picky" about where I go and what I do. My clubbing dollar is not interested in "average".
Toronto's "consume anything" attitude has drifted into the realm of local and major international DJs alike. Obviously the word on the street in DJ circles is that Toronto will "eat it up", always. No wonder they all love to play here - wouldn't you?
I'm not drawing this conclusion, but the above factors point to a very unsophisticated market here in Toronto. Basically any venue with any DJ and a wee bit of promotion seems to be able to hold a weekly and I'm not entirely sure that it is "good" for a scene to have such significant blind support since it certainly doesn't create an environment of "excellence" or talent progression (and sub-par big name DJ performances is proof).
It's obviously a complex issue - one that merits further discussion.
I myself haven't been able to draw any firm opinions on the whole thing and am somewhat torn over what it all means (and my opinions can obviously change from what I've discussed here). Maybe I'm approaching this from too much of an academic marketing standpoint - who knows. |
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| shanny |
| quote: | Originally posted by Grinder
Digweed @ LoL and Dragonfly delivered. |
I was sure hoping someone would mention him. Never before has a dj gone from basically off my radar to at the top of my list, Digweed was absolutely top notch both times, I can't say enough about how good he was, and if you weren't there you can come over to my house and i will gladly give you my best vocal impression of how good he was.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jem_hadar
1) Markus Schulz at Guvernment back in Feb! I was awe-struck by the calibre of that set, esp based on how lack-lustre I'd found all of Schulz's sets before that one!
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Well said. Not just in february though, ever since Labour of Love last year ever since, he has been the most consistent trance dj. Trance may be dying a slow painful death, but Markus is one of the last people still doing it properly, adding new things and keeping it fun.
| quote: | Originally posted by MKpacha
I dont like trance much but Armin @ Dragon fly was a big WOWZER for me.
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Well said again. I've seen Armin 12 times between, Toronto, Montreal, Detroit and Niagara Falls, and this was hands down the best. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by shanny
but Markus is one of the last people still doing it properly, adding new things and keeping it fun.
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Ill definitely agree w/ that. The only other trance DJ holding my interest is Rank 1... and even they/he (Piet) has gone incredibly techy w/ some house tracks here and there in his sets |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
A few idle ramblings:
I think the commentary in this thread (that many DJs "drop the ball" when in TO) is very much reflective of the TO club market.
Basically - Toronto has such a voracious appetite for EDM music/DJs that almost any DJ can perform in this city, play a mediocre or average set and people will still patronize the DJ and clubs that book them.
Big name DJ's seem to repeatedly come to Toronto and not even "show up" (Morillo, Tiesto, etc) - yet we know they have the talent since we hear about amazing performances in other cities, we see their status continue to climb through productions and other work.
It is an interesting concept to consider; regardless of quality factors, Toronto seems to consume DJ performances en masse no matter what.
The same parallel can be said for venues in this city. There are only a few venues with quality sound and an interesting atmosphere - but even those without both still seem to draw a crowd.
For a DJ this is great (people will come and support you irrespective of your performance, no matter what your repertoire, regardless of venue) but for the music enthusiast this is not such a good thing (DJs don't bring their "A-game", early developing DJs get gigs before they are ready, performances are held in quasi-clubs).
Personally I do not believe that local DJs are exempt from the above conclusion (TO club-goers will go out to see DJs regardless of talent/quality/repertoire/venue). Small and big names alike - every weekend there are events with average talent playing average sets at average venues.
I don't mean to offend "up and coming" talent or people enthusiastic about the scene -- but I for one find myself becoming increasingly "picky" about where I go and what I do. My clubbing dollar is not interested in "average".
Toronto's "consume anything" attitude has drifted into the realm of local and major international DJs alike. Obviously the word on the street in DJ circles is that Toronto will "eat it up", always. No wonder they all love to play here - wouldn't you?
I'm not drawing this conclusion, but the above factors point to a very unsophisticated market here in Toronto. Basically any venue with any DJ and a wee bit of promotion seems to be able to hold a weekly and I'm not entirely sure that it is "good" for a scene to have such significant blind support since it certainly doesn't create an environment of "excellence" or talent progression (and sub-par big name DJ performances is proof).
It's obviously a complex issue - one that merits further discussion.
I myself haven't been able to draw any firm opinions on the whole thing and am somewhat torn over what it all means (and my opinions can obviously change from what I've discussed here). Maybe I'm approaching this from too much of an academic marketing standpoint - who knows. |
I just wanted to say that I agree 100% with everything you've said. |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Special K
nights where I am completely schooled = the best kind of nights |
Definately +1.
I also find that this year, the quality of sets have been lacking. I have only heard a few sets that stand out, namely:
DJ Vibe
Derrick May
Mark Farina
Demi @ TiL
Considering how many parties I went to this past year, that's not very impressive.
For me personally, I think a number of different factors are at play here.
- The more parties I go to, the harder it becomes to impress me. My expectations of a "good set" is a lot higher due to the amount of really, really good sets I've heard.
- I've already seen a lot of the big names a lot of times already. There aren't many DJs that do it for me after I've seen them five times, unless they radically change their style. After you've seen all the big DJs five times, and all of your friends only go to parties where big name DJs go, there aren't many opportunities to hear mind blowing sets.
- What RJ said about the incentive for the big names to play quality sets. Although, I think this only applies for A-list and some B-list DJs. Most parties with A-list DJs get packed no matter what, but even somewhat less popular DJs struggle to bring in any sort of crowd whatsoever.
Regarding people's complaints about the same DJs being booked all the time: Sure, the same big name DJs are being booked at big Guv parties. That's because big Guv parties are cash cows. They're designed to create big draw, and there are only a few names that can do that with certainty. Why are you going to take a risk when you know you can pack the place with Deep Dish/Armin/Ferry/Digweed?
Outside of Guv, there is a HUGE variety of parties going on. More genres then you even know existed, in venues from abandoned movie studios to art galaries. It's just no one wants to go to these parties because "everyone is going to Guv". |
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| Pett |
Local Dj's have def stepped it up this year but so has house music in general , with a good percentage of our locals specializing in house we get a nice payoff.
We've still had a great showing from internationals this year as well too thou imo.
shultz, deepdish@freedom, sander k @guv, diggers/tiesto@dragonfly if that counts as toronto, svd.
so yea, i wouldnt agree that internationals sucked hard this year, but i believe a combination of small things have added up to some people not being blow away as much as they have been in previous years. |
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| RapidFire |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
Satoshi Tomiie
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very dissapointing |
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| Silky Johnson |
| RJ wins, close the thread. |
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