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Bal en Blanc 14 - March 23rd 2008 (pg. 33)
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| Spin Laden |
| who's bringing the wine? :p ;) |
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| Marcus007 |
WOW DAVID GUETTA, OFFER NISSIM AAANDDD ARMIN
what a surprise!!!! |
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| Spin Laden |
| that list is missing some ingredients still. I smell pizza :p |
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| Marcus007 |
deep dish pizza...  |
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| Spin Laden |
lol. The only tasty slices are Grondin and Rauhofer, imo
'Moratorium on my posting in this thread for awhile me thinks. |
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| 84th Ave. |
The house room makes me want to eat some French Camembert cheese all of a sudden....
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| DarV |
Ok guys Please tell me its April Fools,,,,
Come on guys a guy who cant mix and doesnt produce half his and a gay guy girl whatever .who cant Mix ...
This deserves A BIG WTF
I guess Montreal will never evolve musically |
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| Spin Laden |
pretty simple forumula here:
Offer Nissam = gay massive appeal
David Guetta = straight massive appeal.
It's all about the corporate sponsors and it's all about the massive, and who has massive edm appeal for those sponsors. Even the trance room is all about that..
I can hear the Club Zone bus with "Love is Gone" blaring in the background as I type this :p
Oh well. The "Very interesting interview" thread is well-timed. And that Resolution lineup is looking more and more like an aberration.
btw Darv, one of your best posts yet, imo. |
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| FunKenLouis |
Last time i heard guetta, except for the accapelas etc... he played a couple of banging stuff...
Since joachim garraud brought im to play more electro stuff... his sound has matured a bit
And what do you guys expect ?
If you put offer nissim instead of grondin or rauhofer, unless you know really well your music, 97% of the people wont see the difference
Rauhofer plays really good stuff in a massive, but hes boring as fcuk and nissim brings on a good show
Clubs dont book the headliners you want... afterhours do but you guys always have to say something about it... and now you think bal en blanc will book em to make you happy ?
The fanciulli @ bal en blanc days are over my friends
They go with the flow
And if Guetta gets around 2000 people paying pre-sales and Nissim almost the same
4000 people that are willing to pay for 2 djs.. that makes bal en blanc's life MUCH easier
The crowd is getting older... the sound is getting more commercial they go with the massive appeal... or they go down like black and blue
Sorry to say it... but these guys are buisness people...
Barmaids, doormen, clubbers etc ... all of them right now know nothing about your super djs...
Montreal is going nowehere musically in bookings... and they need to bring people back to partymode
Aria used to have 1200 to 1500 people inside while sona was jammed, red lite the same and mp3 also... adding up the little uderground parties and all... you had maybe 5 to 6000 people going afterhours per night at the same time... everynight... 2 nighs a week... everyweekend for years and years
Now everyone stuggles to bring people in and they dont get a third of what they used to have
People are getting older and they choose more wisely where and when they go out
So you know what ...
Add bob sinclar to the bill... and they are able to put up adds on the radio and make this party look like its not a k-hole and get better media coverage and sponsors to make it more afordable and try to make you happy again in the next few years
Itll be like that for 2 or 3 years... and they will book more underground stuff again
Thats what i predict |
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| Spin Laden |
I blame the dirty Flintstones for the scene's partial demise :p
They are catering to the "97 per cent" who can't hear the difference between Nissam and Rauhofer, indeed. It's a matter of taste.. but Rauhofer's sets blows away Offer Nissam's, imo.
Events like these are a balancing act between keeping the underground essence alive, and making sales. But I think the scale is starting to tip drastically the wrong way. The numbers will be huge today.. but what about tomorrow? This myopic way of doing business can only last so far (see the watered down rap/pop music industry).
Yes, it's about the business, that is very clear. But who wants to go to an oversized nightclub? |
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| Kendo |
First off, obviously a public forum is the place for people to voice all their personal opinions about bookings, DJs and events. None the less I have to agree with Louis on most of his points.
I didn't see much of Offer Nissim last year since I always stick in the Trance room most of the night, but I heard it was a total disaster from most of my straight friends and reading online. Then, I go into work and one of my gay co-workers who went to BeB was gushing about how great Nissim was and all his friends loved Nissim. Remember, this is after the royal mess up with the music and his whole crazy diva display with no real mixing. Apparently him and his friends adore Nissim and follow him everywhere. I didn't want to burst his bubble telling him that everyone in the world that I knew basically thought Nissim was a diva drama queen and his set licked balls. Point being, there is a huge draw for Nissim even after how crappy he was last year.
To me, Guetta is commercial and like Louis said, more well known to the straight crowd. It makes sense to bring him in since the name is marketable and that's what's important for BeB no?
I think the bottom line for bookings at BeB is that they want to draw in the largest crowd possible, unfortunately the segment of the market that is super picky about their DJs isn't large enough and definitely doesn't spend enough money to be as significant as the sum of the rest.
As far as our scene is concerned, I think I am one of the longest standing regulars of our scene. I have seen it change over the last 9 years considering I'm out almost every week. I attribute the huge decrease in the amount of people at afterhours not only due to the aging of all those people that used to go but the general decrease in popularity of drugs like Ecstasy. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s Ecstasy was the "cool" thing to do that everyone wanted to try. It was more socially acceptable and lots of people that partied jumped onto the E bandwagon even if they didn't give a crap about the music, they just wanted to go party and get high.
Now the amount of new blood flowing into the Afterhour scene has decreased dramatically, it's just not the cool thing to do anymore. For some people outside the scene looking in, they actually associate a negative stigma to it.
Black and Blue was a relative failure in 2006, the only real headliner was Chus and Ceballos who spin at Stereo all the time and it resulted in 5000 people or so. Years ago it didn't matter as much who was spinning and the crowd would still be there.... times change.
Even in our Afterhour scene you can have great International DJs come spin and the amount of people coming out SPECIFICALLY for them (I'm not saying those people don't help or aren't important) isn't going to make that much of a dent to the bottom-line overall for the year of any Afterhour club.
My encompassing message is somewhat along the line of Louis, business is business and if you were making an investment, you would choose the investment that would bring you the best return on your investment. That's what Bal en Blanc and many others try to do... whatever formula works, use it.
| quote: | Originally posted by FunKenLouis
Last time i heard guetta, except for the accapelas etc... he played a couple of banging stuff...
Since joachim garraud brought im to play more electro stuff... his sound has matured a bit
And what do you guys expect ?
If you put offer nissim instead of grondin or rauhofer, unless you know really well your music, 97% of the people wont see the difference
Rauhofer plays really good stuff in a massive, but hes boring as fcuk and nissim brings on a good show
Clubs dont book the headliners you want... afterhours do but you guys always have to say something about it... and now you think bal en blanc will book em to make you happy ?
The fanciulli @ bal en blanc days are over my friends
They go with the flow
And if Guetta gets around 2000 people paying pre-sales and Nissim almost the same
4000 people that are willing to pay for 2 djs.. that makes bal en blanc's life MUCH easier
The crowd is getting older... the sound is getting more commercial they go with the massive appeal... or they go down like black and blue
Sorry to say it... but these guys are buisness people...
Barmaids, doormen, clubbers etc ... all of them right now know nothing about your super djs...
Montreal is going nowehere musically in bookings... and they need to bring people back to partymode
Aria used to have 1200 to 1500 people inside while sona was jammed, red lite the same and mp3 also... adding up the little uderground parties and all... you had maybe 5 to 6000 people going afterhours per night at the same time... everynight... 2 nighs a week... everyweekend for years and years
Now everyone stuggles to bring people in and they dont get a third of what they used to have
People are getting older and they choose more wisely where and when they go out
So you know what ...
Add bob sinclar to the bill... and they are able to put up adds on the radio and make this party look like its not a k-hole and get better media coverage and sponsors to make it more afordable and try to make you happy again in the next few years
Itll be like that for 2 or 3 years... and they will book more underground stuff again
Thats what i predict |
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| Kendo |
I'd go just because there's more room to dance, I won't get pushed around by aggressive alcoholics while I'm dancing and the probably one of the main reasons you're going Spin, the WOMEN!
| quote: | Originally posted by Spin Laden
I blame the dirty Flintstones for the scene's partial demise :p
They are catering to the "97 per cent" who can't hear the difference between Nissam and Rauhofer, indeed. It's a matter of taste.. but Rauhofer's sets blows away Offer Nissam's, imo.
Events like these are a balancing act between keeping the underground essence alive, and making sales. But I think the scale is starting to tip drastically the wrong way. The numbers will be huge today.. but what about tomorrow? This myopic way of doing business can only last so far (see the watered down rap/pop music industry).
Yes, it's about the business, that is very clear. But who wants to go to an oversized nightclub? |
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