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Vancouver RCMP Taser, Assault & Kill Polish Man at Vancouver Airport (pg. 12)
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| Dr. DAS |
That was a different time. Things are a whole lot different now, but even then mass murder wasn't on the training syllabus.
And really, you can't evoke My Sung (Mai Lai) to prove a point about military training doctrine, it's unfair to the troops.
Unfortunately, when you put dozens of young, brash soldiers, who are trained to kill in a combat zone with little oversight and the stress of seeing thier friends getting cut down by an enemy you never see, bad things occasionally happen. Even now, the odd rape and murder happens in Iraq. It's terrible. It's war. It's the kind of thing you could never imagine people from the civilized world commiting, but they do. Human nature...
These atrocities are not sanctioned, that's why there were Courts Martial following this event. That's why there were Courts Martial after Abu Ghraib. Soldiers aren't trained to round up a village of women and children and gun them down in cold blood, but it does happen. |
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| Superstring |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
that's why there were Courts Martial following this event. That's why there were Courts Martial after Abu Ghraib. |
The biggest and THE ONLY sentence served for brutally murdering 350+ civilian people was a month and a half in jail for Calley.
I don't have the stats for the current Gulf crisis, but I suspect something like that too.
It is understood by everyone in power that you cannot alienate police and the army - the consequences would be dire. Therefore such behaviour will largely go unpunished (save for movie stuff like Few Good Men).
I believe in this case we will also see a slap on the wrist, nothing more (if even that) |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
I don't think their salaries are relevant here. I have several cop friends and I know how their mothers/wives/girlfriends feel everytime they leave home for work. There's always a possibility that they might not return, and that is an acceptable part of the job that all cops and their families know. I believe they have special professional insurance policies to cover for their line of work, so the compensation for risk is actually indirectly covered (for the families). |
I fail to see how this goes against my point. I've never said cops don't go into dangerous situation. What I've said that they never put themselves at risk unless they really have to.
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I don't call it stupidity, I call it courage. I don't have the courage to work at a job everyday where there's a chance I can take a bullet. (plus, I think I can make a lot more money doing something else! :p) |
My point was a bit of sarcasm. I guess I should have made it more clear :p
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I think both of you would be overreacting even in this hypothetical dangerous situation. If some dangerous guy with all these weapons was just standing around, there's a reason he hasn't pulled the trigger and detonated the bomb already. In the western world where human rights are protected, our law enforcement actually has staff that take the time to understand why the dangerous guy is doing what he's doing. They're called "negotiators" (not just for hostages). If the guy wanted to kill everyone he would have done it by that point. Our society is all about "curing the diseased" so if this hypothetical guy was f*cked in the head, police would still risk their lives (to a reasonable extent, i.e. speaking from a megaphone until they get a confirmation of intent from the dangerous guy) trying to save his, if they're doing their job properly, imo. That might seem a bit naive, but I believe that forms the fabric of our society. Then they'd throw the guy into the looney bin, which is better than ending his life, according to the principles of our society, I think. |
Or, this guy could have had a grudge against the cops and society, and just waiting for cops to get close enough to pull his trigger.
You can't read the minds of people.
As for human rights, self defence trumps human rights. I can take your life, if you are proven by any reasonable logic that you can, and shows intent of doing harm to me.
I'm not letting anyone point a gun at me, not even I can do something about it.
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Maybe because in this thread you've come across as a goof? |
Because I don't join the lynch mob, and don't make judgements quickly?
And you think My Lai is typical behaviour of average soldier? |
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| Ania_xox |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
first of all. let's stop saying he had mental problems.
he spent 10 hours looking for his mother. he was afraid if he went one way he wouldn't be able to go back where he came from. that's why he was trying to block the door. he didn't smash the computer, he dropped it.
the RCMP go through training for using the tazer. these guys went in ready to use it without any thought.
it is a well studied fact that you can't tazer people you suspect are in drugs (tweaked out people) and you can't tazer people in the age where they could have heart problems. so what gives? wanted to give people a show with their fancy toy? they sure did give people a show. killing a guy and then not even giving him any first aid when he lay dying on the ground. |
Best post in the thread.
Masz świętą racje ... niestety duzo debilòw tu nie mogą tego zrozumieć |
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| Zentac_75 |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
first of all. let's stop saying he had mental problems.
he spent 10 hours looking for his mother. he was afraid if he went one way he wouldn't be able to go back where he came from. that's why he was trying to block the door. he didn't smash the computer, he dropped it.
the RCMP go through training for using the tazer. these guys went in ready to use it without any thought.
it is a well studied fact that you can't tazer people you suspect are in drugs (tweaked out people) and you can't tazer people in the age where they could have heart problems. so what gives? wanted to give people a show with their fancy toy? they sure did give people a show. killing a guy and then not even giving him any first aid when he lay dying on the ground. |
I could not rinish reading most of the posts in this thread. I had already decided that the cops used of their 'non lethal' weapon unecessarily last month when this happened after reading numerous articles reports with eye witness accounts. Previous articles also mentioned that experts thought the man suffered from some 'excitable condition' that is rare. "They saw the whites of his eyes" was a quote I remember. It sounded like such BS.
Of all your excellent points....
the RCMP go through training for using the tazer. these guys went in ready to use it without any thought.
This one stands out BIG TIME.
the RCMP (I seriously assume) also are trained to identify when people have undergone immense amounts of stress and are irrational. I again assume that they did not use this training either.
What happened was terrible and unfortunate. I really hope that police officers (I understand their job is one of the most dangerous and difficult) use this horrible occurence as motivation to repeat/refreshe their training in these kinds of matters.
*I'm looking for the posts in the thread that was on TOTA when this event actually happened, with links to many articles that I referenced*
*edit - link to CoR thread about this a month ago
CLICK IT
STILL CAN"T FIND THE PREVIOUS TOTA THREAD ABOUT THIS DAMN SEARCH !!!!
/edit* |
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| hardcore trancer |
Imgaine if something like this took place at some airport in the U.S,he probably would have got shot to death.:(
There is alot of people to blame here and RCMP is one of them,the immigration office should probably take the most blame for being so unprofessional and incapable of handling a situation like this and for letting it get out of control. |
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| Zentac_75 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zentac_75
I could not rinish reading most of the posts in this thread. I had already decided that the cops used of their 'non lethal' weapon unecessarily last month when this happened after reading numerous articles reports with eye witness accounts. Previous articles also mentioned that experts thought the man suffered from some 'excitable condition' that is rare. "They saw the whites of his eyes" was a quote I remember. It sounded like such BS.
Of all your excellent points....
the RCMP go through training for using the tazer. these guys went in ready to use it without any thought.
This one stands out BIG TIME.
the RCMP (I seriously assume) also are trained to identify when people have undergone immense amounts of stress and are irrational. I again assume that they did not use this training either.
What happened was terrible and unfortunate. I really hope that police officers (I understand their job is one of the most dangerous and difficult) use this horrible occurence as motivation to repeat/refreshe their training in these kinds of matters.
*I'm looking for the posts in the thread that was on TOTA when this event actually happened, with links to many articles that I referenced*
*edit - link to CoR thread about this a month ago
CLICK IT
STILL CAN"T FIND THE PREVIOUS TOTA THREAD ABOUT THIS DAMN SEARCH !!!!
/edit* |
*EDIT "2"*
honestly AMAZED that at an international airport...no one (patron or staff) made an effort to find someone who could interpret for him.....really.... think about it.
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| zookeeper |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Imgaine if something like this took place at some airport in the U.S,he probably would have got shot to death.:(
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C'mon you didn't need to do that:mad: |
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| dj_deltawye |
These RCMP pigs should be charged with 1st degree murder. They didn't even call the paramedics when the man was down, and didn't bother trying to revive him either!! They should be thrown in the slammer, with the hard ass villains, and have the crap beaten out of them. in' cowards!!!!
Dj Deltawye |
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| dj_deltawye |
| One one thing ... RCMP is the biggest mafia in the world. I pray to God that they get sentenced for life!!! :mad: |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by zookeeper
C'mon you didn't need to do that:mad: |
Iam just stating the obvious.Fact is in the U.S. the first thing they would assume is that he is some terrorist ready to blow something up. |
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| Zentac_75 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Iam just stating the obvious.Fact is in the U.S. the first thing they would assume is that he is some terrorist ready to blow something up. |
I'm sure many can sympathize with your outrage...however I am positive many more will agree with me that posts like the one you have just made negate the attempted objective discussion in this thread, and shine a negative if not racist light on TOTAs.
We as people can not help to assume many things....but we can help which assumptions we post on public forums. |
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