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Vancouver RCMP Taser, Assault & Kill Polish Man at Vancouver Airport (pg. 5)
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Disgusting, tragic, embarassing are words that come to mind when I watch that. |
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I feel so in disgusted watching that video,like this is Canada the land of immigration.You would think situations like this would get handled alot better then this.Not one person in that in Airport was able to help this poor guy.:whip: |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
No, it isn't.
Nothing stops a cop from shooting someone if he feels he is sufficient in danger. You're not going to try to talk to someone when someone is pulling a gun on you.
It is up to debate whether the cops are justified in using the taser in this case, and yes, other non lethal methods should have been used whenever possible, but by no means the cops can't use his taser or gun unless he tried to use non lethal force before.
I also will admit that I'm not familiar with what RCMP rules on this, but it's just plain stupidity to restrict a cop from using whatever method for self defence. |
Can you tell me why they thought using a taser would solve the situation?how was he a threat to anyone or even the RCMP?if anything he was a threat to himself.
We are talking about a guy here who has never been to any country in his life,never been on an plane in his life and doesnt know a word of english.This is Canada FFS were you should expect situations like this eparticularly.To me it seems like the system failed both from the immigration,the Airport,and the RCMP. |
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| Breeze |
| doesnt matter what the cops did , the matter of the fact is they killed a man. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Breeze
doesnt matter what the cops did , the matter of the fact is they killed a man. |
EXACTLY and they seem to be fine with that and are getting away with it. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Can you tell me why they thought using a taser would solve the situation?how was he a threat to anyone or even the RCMP?if anything he was a threat to himself.
We are talking about a guy here who has never been to any country in his life,never been on an plane in his life and doesnt know a word of english.This is Canada FFS were you should expect situations like this eparticularly.To me it seems like the system failed both from the immigration,the Airport,and the RCMP. |
note that I wasn't arguing for or against the use of taser in this particular situation in that post
but I was arguing against the other dude's post that the cops should have used other methods all the time before resorting to taser, when an another situation might warrant immediate use of taser.
| quote: | Originally posted by Breeze
doesnt matter what the cops did , the matter of the fact is they killed a man. |
and that automatically means they are derelict or negligent? |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
note that I wasn't arguing for or against the use of taser in this particular situation in that post
but I was arguing against the other dude's post that the cops should have used other methods all the time before resorting to taser, when an another situation might warrant immediate use of taser.
and that automatically means they are derelict or negligent? |
I agree 100% in terms of using other methods OTHER than one BEFORE lethal force is used (ie a taser...). Also I doubt hardcore trancer was saying that because they did use those same methods that they are considered negligent or derelict. If anything I think you are both on the same side. unless it's almost 4am and I am not reading what I think I'm reading. lol. I didn't even see the part where he's tasered or how he acted RIGHT before that part, all I am saying is restrain him using other means rather than ing electro shock therapy to kill the man . That is tantamount to using lethal force IMO as the man has died...what's the difference? Judgement...they were negligent (in how they did not try those other methods available to them first. Given the evidence available, I'd say what they did was the same as using lethal force considering the man was caged in a certain area of the airport rather than running around all over the place AND the police not using the solutions available to them. Bah I'm disgusted and only have seen 4 min of the vid. |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
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he spent 10 hours in the waiting area, started getting agitated and stuff
i think he wasn't well either (mentally) |
dude was stuck in a secured area, because he didn't know where to go, he didn't eat or drink anything for ten hours, to make things better he didn't speak a word of English, nothing to do with being mentally ill, more like overstressed, and then triggered happy RCMP didn't help out much ... might aswell shoot the guy with a gun, fu*king idiots |
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| rabbitjoker |
This is obviously a complex situation - however the main issues here )(for me) seem to be:
1) How is it that a person can be wandering around a secure area of the airport for 10 hours without anybody coming to assist the person or find out what the issue is?
Admittedly - I would be agitated/distraught after being lost/stuck in a secure area (in a foreign country) when I was supposed to meet my mother 10 hours ago. It is quite clear why the guy is trying to jar open the door - he was supposed to meet his mother at the luggage carousel (which she was not allowed into because it was secure customs) and after waiting for hours he was nervous to leave the secure area in case his mother was still inside (he had nowhere to go and no other reason to be waiting there). Where were the airport officials? Where were the customs officials? Why was nothing done to assist this person?
2) The RCPM clearly entered the area with the intent to taser the guy and get the situation dealt with immediately.
The RCPM didn't go into the room the help the man and find out what the issue was. They spent no time trying to understand the man's predicament or talk the man down - they went in tasers-blazing and shocked the man twice (with calls for more) within moments of entering the room. Based on their actions it is clear that the decision to taser this man was made well before they properly assessed the situation.
3) The RCPM - who are all trained in CPR/first-responder first aid - did nothing to resuscitate the man after he was unconscious.
The man was obviously hypertensive before the police even entered the room (sweating, breathing heavily) which creates a more dangerous situation for taser usage - there was no foresight in choosing to use taser to resolve this situation.
Along with the right to use lethal (or non-lethal [depending on how you look at it]) force also comes with the responsibility to understand the consequences of using it but also the responsibility to assist if a medical emergency happens.
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As an overall approach I have no problem with police force to contain and control a situation - however the poor judgement and excessive actions of these RCMP officers is embarrassing and a serious misuse of force. |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
No, it's not.
Being in a dangerous situation is something that may happen in a cop's career, but by no means they get paid for getting their ass shot off. They may have to do dangerous things, or put themselves in dangerous situations in order to complete their job, but they want to take as minimal risk to themselves and others as much as possible.
I don't think anyone here disagrees that the cops should be punished if they are found of any wrongdoing. The question is whether the cops ARE guilty.
BTW, how do you know what the police protocol is? |
I agree with you on this .... but this time they didn't need to taser the guy who couldn't speak english and they were told so by one of the witnesses whom tried to help the aggravated man. Guess these pigs can be proud to come home to their families a" hey today we killed someone's only son, because he couldn't speak or understand english, and he had a stapler" |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
I agree 100% in terms of using other methods OTHER than one BEFORE lethal force is used (ie a taser...). Also I doubt hardcore trancer was saying that because they did use those same methods that they are considered negligent or derelict. If anything I think you are both on the same side. unless it's almost 4am and I am not reading what I think I'm reading. lol. I didn't even see the part where he's tasered or how he acted RIGHT before that part, all I am saying is restrain him using other means rather than ing electro shock therapy to kill the man . That is tantamount to using lethal force IMO as the man has died...what's the difference? Judgement...they were negligent (in how they did not try those other methods available to them first. Given the evidence available, I'd say what they did was the same as using lethal force considering the man was caged in a certain area of the airport rather than running around all over the place AND the police not using the solutions available to them. Bah I'm disgusted and only have seen 4 min of the vid. |
The taser is not a lethal weapon, it is a 'less than lethal' weapon. The fact the guy died dosn't mean they used deadly force, they used a weapon designed to incapacitate him, allowing the police to get him under control. If this guy had some undiagnosed heart condition and died as a result of being tasered, that isn't the fault of the cops, it's just bad luck.
I would rather be tasered and have a 99% of being totally fine in 5 minutes, then get my ass beat down with batons and boots or get pepper-srayed, and I have been both pepper-sprayed and tasered.
I understand the outrage here, I understand that people see this as unacceptable, but how can some of you speak to this when you haven't seen the footage? |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
The taser is not a lethal weapon, it is a 'less than lethal' weapon. |
This fact encourages Police to use the taser before exercising other options.
"Oh, it's non-lethal, lets just use it and get it over with..."
The case at hand is a perfect example of such thinking. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by djeso
Guess these pigs can be proud to come home to their families a" hey today we killed someone's only son, because he couldn't speak or understand english, and he had a stapler" |
You're an ass. |
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