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Vancouver RCMP Taser, Assault & Kill Polish Man at Vancouver Airport (pg. 6)
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| jackpea |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Nothing stops a cop from shooting someone if he feels he is sufficient in danger. You're not going to try to talk to someone when someone is pulling a gun on you.
It is up to debate whether the cops are justified in using the taser in this case, and yes, other non lethal methods should have been used whenever possible, but by no means the cops can't use his taser or gun unless he tried to use non lethal force before.
I also will admit that I'm not familiar with what RCMP rules on this, but it's just plain stupidity to restrict a cop from using whatever method for self defence. |
Im not disagreeing. I know that cops can and will use lethal force if there is sufficient danger. But they have to be careful...just look at what happened when New York cops shot a kid 20 times, while he only had a hair brush.
In that instance it was dark, there was an incident at the residence, and there was a possibility of the perp having a gun. In this case, however, the cops KNEW there was no way the guy had a gun.
The point is they had a dozen non-lethal alternatives at their disposal, of which they decided to go straight for the taser.
It was irresponsible on their part and it cost a man his life...only further compounded by the fact they were going to sweep this under the rug until the tape surfaced.
As for RCMP rules, there are many protocols to handle any eventuality. |
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| spolitta |
| Imagine what they would have done to him if he was a middle eastern looking one, speaking Arabic or something. |
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| SkyHigh |
Originally posted by jackpea
Cops should get respect for putting their lives on the line...but, thats their JOB.
No, it's not.
Being in a dangerous situation is something that may happen in a cop's career, but by no means they get paid for getting their ass shot off. They may have to do dangerous things, or put themselves in dangerous situations in order to complete their job, but they want to take as minimal risk to themselves and others as much as possible.
What do you mean no it's not?
What do people join the army for?
What do people join the police force for?
See the logic in that? |
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| The Highroller |
Dr. DAS and EvilTree:
Can you describe for us a hypothetical police brutality scenario? |
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| spolitta |
| EvilTree's comments in this topic really make me sick. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
Dr. DAS and EvilTree:
Can you describe for us a hypothetical police brutality scenario? |
Sure,
There's this guy in an airport. He doesn't speak any English and has been in a secure area for over 10 hours. The man becomes agitated and throws a tantrum, smashing computers, trying to smash a plate glass window, moving furniture to build some kind of blockade.
The police arrive and, within seconds, circle over top of the man and start pummelling him with their asps.
Clearly in this scenario, if the cops had deployed a taser the man would have been arrested without injury.
Unless something went wrong. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by spolitta
EvilTree's comments in this topic really make me sick. |
Because he's not a cop-hater? Because he accepts that this could have been the unfortunate combination of a poor decision and an underlying medical condition?
Police officers need to make split-second, sometimes life and death decisions all the time. Sometimes they make the wrong one. Nobody knows what information the officers had. Nobody knows what the officers saw and felt and nobody knows what had happened to the cops on thier last call that may have affected their response.
Again, I'm not saying that using the taser was the right move, I'm just saying that the taser exists for just this kind of event.
If this guy was still alive, the cops would be heralded for resolving the situation using all the tools at thier disposal to ensure nobody was hurt.
When you make a mistake at work, you get in and have to re-do it. If you work at McDonalds, someone gets the wrong order. When a Doctor makes a bad call, someone suffers or dies. Same goes for the cops. Doctors have malpractice insurance, cops have nothing but the sharp sting of uninformed public opinion.
Perhaps the reason Yohan (eviltree) and I see this the same way, which happens to be different from everyone else, is that we have both put time in the army. We have both carried and fired weapons. We have both had bullets fly past our heads on live-fire ranges and we both know the kind of decisions the police need to make and how that wears on you. There is a deeper understanding to this extemely complex situation, which I don't think you get if you haven't buttoned up a uniform.
This is a tragedy, no doubt. This is a chance to learn and to revise procedures. The taser is a very effective weapon and a very good tool for police to have available. |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
You're an ass. |
and you're an idiot lol, I've seen the footage, there was no need for a taser, if you been reading from other sources,apeparantly he didn't get tasered only once FYI
"RCMP insist that the man was zapped two times, but Sima Ashrafinia, who was at the airport and recorded the incident on her cellphone, told CBC News on Monday that RCMP officers stunned Dziekanski four times."
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-co...8/bc-taser.html |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
Police officers need to make split-second, sometimes life and death decisions all the time. Sometimes they make the wrong one. Nobody knows what information the officers had. Nobody knows what the officers saw and felt and nobody knows what had happened to the cops on thier last call that may have affected their response.
Again, I'm not saying that using the taser was the right move, I'm just saying that the taser exists for just this kind of event.
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They were warned that the dude didn't speak a word of english, i'm not sure what one man with a stapler could do to five officers, give me a break split second decisions. |
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| rabbitjoker |
Haha... Lets consider taser statistics from a police force... |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
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I think you are oversimplifying the issue here.
You're saying that these officers should not be punished because police officers have to make split second decisions in dangerous situations, and sometimes those split second decisions end up with less than desireable outcomes. This is true, but this wasn't just any poor decision, and it wasn't just any undesireable outcome.
A man died. Even if he didn't die, using a taser in this scenario seems very unneccessary. Although non-lethal, using a taser inflicts serious agony on an individual, rendering him completely immobile. Why didn't they just try to use physical force first? They just walked in and tased him immediately. |
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