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Club Circa VS Guvernment (pg. 10)
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
I'm just bitter because I remember people defending Circa in 2007 saying how 2008 was going to be different, how they're going to be showcasing more genres than House and its variations. Yeah right. It's pretty much April now, and there's still nothing but House on the bill. |
I find that a lot of the smaller rooms bring in other varieties. Whenever I've been there the one side room on the 2nd floor had drum and base, and the washroom bar had electro. Mind you, I don't know who the DJs are in those genres, so I don't know if they were household names...yet at least they're trying to put a bit of variety in there. |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
My god you're comparing apples to oranges...
DT was one of the most boring minimal sets I've heard...And I find them all boring...But his was the worst...
He is absolute crap..only big because he's been around since day one... |
I'm not comparing them. I'm just telling Mark to go to Danny T because he really enjoyed him when he went to see him a couple of years back.
Also, although I wasn't there, I find it very unlikely that Danny T played a 10 hour minimal set. |
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| Dark_Archonis |
| quote: | Originally posted by terrytutone
I can't understand how anyone could say this. Have you been paying any attention to what they're doing on friday nights? Lets take a look. Ok.
Upcoming events:
crystal castles
gui boratto & duke dumont
sebastian
HELLOOOOO. They've been taking some serious risks. This is one of the most forward thinking night in the city. Dumbass |
Serious risks? Give me a break. With names like Sebastian, and Duke Dumont they are catering to the "artsy crowd". Toronto really has a lack of artsy clubs doesn't it :rolleyes:.
And just walking today on the street I was handed a Circa flyer showing that Lupe Fiasco is going to be at Circa AGAIN. Wasn't he just there a few weeks ago? Booking Lupe Fiasco every couple weeks is a real risk, yeah right.
I'll admit, I give Circa respect for (once in a while) getting names like Sebastian, Simian Mobile Disco, or Duke Dumont.
Then there is the Circa website. The intro is a total rip-off of the visual style used by Justice, and they're playing a Justice track. Like I said, Circa is trying way too hard to be cool. I'm also sick and tired of seeing Circa use the Justice/Ed Banger visual style on most of their flyers.
I can go on all day about all the same old names that have visited Circa:
For drum and bass, we have:
Marcus Visionary
Slip N Slide
Mystical Influence
Other familiar names include:
Hatiras
Kenny Glasgow
Guy Ornadel
Bob Sinclair
Peter Rauhofer
Junior Sanchez
This is on top of Guetta and Axwell.
So much for being original. All the above names have been in Toronto many times. Most of the headliners Circa gets continue to be old names that have been in Toronto before, and Circa mostly gets house headliners.
Seeing drum and bass isn't that amazing either. DnB is pretty big in Toronto, and Circa has mostly had the same old DnB that have performed numerous times in Toronto before. I haven't seen Circa getting that many new or cutting edge DnB performers over here.
Like I said, the only thing I give Circa respect for is (once in a while) bringing in cutting-edge artists like Sebastian. What about cutting-edge techno performers though? What about cutting edge trance performers?
Circa also didn't have to do all ages parties. They chose to do so. Circa could have chosen to uphold a certain level and refuse to do all ages. Let other clubs do all ages. Circa chose to promote itself on Z103, they didn't have to. Circa chose to try hard to be different from Toronto clubs by offering a lot of gimmicks and oddities inside the club, which takes focus away from the music and the club atmosphere because muddled because of it.
Most importantly, Circa chose to book a lot of headliners that have been in Toronto many times before and have spun at numerous Toronto clubs before. They book some fresh names on occasion, but it's not the norm.
The problem is other clubs in Toronto like Guv ALSO book fresh names on occasion. Circa just simply isn't that different than most Toronto clubs. Yeah Circa had Simian perform, and Sound Academy had Justice perform. Guv has had names like Yoji Biomehanika, and The Prodigy perform.
If Circa really wanted to be fresh and different, they would go out of their way to make the majority of their headliners names that Toronto has never seen before, who play styles that Toronto hasn't really heard before. The Toronto scene is saturated enough as it is with electro, minimal, and house. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| reality is....the majority of circa regulars could care less who is spinning....I would go as far to say they probably don't really care what music is playing....they would be just as happy with hip hop, house, trance, eurodance, etc....pretty much anything they can get drunk and dance to. |
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| Dark_Archonis |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
reality is....the majority of circa regulars could care less who is spinning....I would go as far to say they probably don't really care what music is playing....they would be just as happy with hip hop, house, trance, eurodance, etc....pretty much anything they can get drunk and dance to. |
You further prove my point. The clubbers that Circa is attracting don't even care who is spinning or what they're listening to. They don't really go to Circa for the music; rather they go to look cool and artsy, not actually dancing but standing around chit-chatting about art and post-modernism.
I can guarantee most of the regulars will have no idea who Sebastian is or what music he will be spinning there, but they'll be there anyways because Circa is currently "in" and the "it spot" to currently be at in the club district. |
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| terrytutone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dark_Archonis
Serious risks? Give me a break. With names like Sebastian, and Duke Dumont they are catering to the "artsy crowd"
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I don't believe that you have any idea who duke dumont is.
| quote: | Originally posted by Dark_Archonis
What about cutting-edge techno performers though?
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Isn't Matthew Dear going to be a Circa in a few weeks?
| quote: | Originally posted by Dark_Archonis
What about cutting edge trance performers?
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Oxymoron?
| quote: | Originally posted by Dark_Archonis
If Circa really wanted to be fresh and different, they would go out of their way to make the majority of their headliners names that Toronto has never seen before, who play styles that Toronto hasn't really heard before. |
Thats great. Except when you book strictly unheard talent, nobody shows up. You've got to start by booking some familiar talent and then when the night has a solid following you start to book the riskier acts.
You just got your hate on for Circa. Thats all. Because nothing you've said is founded on a reasonable argument. |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
Everyone has to keep in mind that Circa is a much different crowd on a Friday compared to a Saturday.
I have seen quite a few DJ's who are not booked in Toronto a lot and I would dare to say that Fridays are more about music that the 905, Z103 crowd |
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| Dark_Archonis |
| quote: | Originally posted by terrytutone
I don't believe that you have any idea who duke dumont is.
Thats great. Except when you book strictly unheard talent, nobody shows up. You've got to start by booking some familiar talent and then when the night has a solid following you start to book the riskier acts.
You just got your hate on for Circa. Thats all. Because nothing you've said is founded on a reasonable argument. |
And I don't believe you have any idea of what I know or don't know, so quit assuming.
If Circa wants to be a fresh club and be different, than it has to take the risk that not a lot of people will show up. Otherwise, it's simply just like most other clubs in Toronto, that are afraid to book any fresh or new names out of fear that not that many people will show up. Ideally, Circa could be taking that risk and bringing in fresh names with fresh sounds. Circa has the potential to change the scene in Toronto but it's not using the opportunity. If Circa hesitates to book fresh talent out of fear of less people showing up, it becomes a visual cycle and that will lead to Circa becoming stale.
If Circa establishes a consistent pattern of booking fresh performers with fresh interesting sounds, then Circa will establish itself as a unique club in the Toronto scene and it will gather a loyal and consistent following. Currently no other electronic music club in Toronto really does this.
Nothing I've said is reasonable? Are you honestly going to tell me all the names I've listed are "fresh" and "new" to Toronto? Do you disagree that Circa's web page rips off Justice' style and plays a Justice song in the background?
I don't "hate" Circa as much as I hate Toronto's scene. Hate is a strong word. Circa simply annoys me. I hate the scene in the city, and Circa seems to be going in the same direction as most other clubs. My annoyance of Circa is further aggravated by the fact that Circa has a lot of potential but currently it's not being used. Other clubs in Toronto also have potential but you might as well give up on them. Circa is still a new club and it's reputation is still relatively up in the air and not concrete yet. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dark_Archonis
If Circa wants to be a fresh club and be different, than it has to take the risk that not a lot of people will show up. Otherwise, it's simply just like most other clubs in Toronto, that are afraid to book any fresh or new names out of fear that not that many people will show up. Ideally, Circa could be taking that risk and bringing in fresh names with fresh sounds. Circa has the potential to change the scene in Toronto but it's not using the opportunity. If Circa hesitates to book fresh talent out of fear of less people showing up, it becomes a visual cycle and that will lead to Circa becoming stale. |
While I somewhat agree with you on many of your points, I get a feeling that you feel it's some sort of 'moral' duty for Circa to bring in fresh talent to change the music scene in Toronto.
The fact is, number one purpose of any club is to make a profit, and I don't know Peter Galtain's partners, but I'm pretty sure they didn't fund Circa just because they love music. They want money.
If any club takes a risk and brings in unknown talents and whatnot, it's taking a big business risk. Many clubs don't have money to run deficit and we don't know how much money a multi million dollar venture like Circa has either.
If it's stupid, but it works, then it's not stupid. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
While I somewhat agree with you on many of your points, I get a feeling that you feel it's some sort of 'moral' duty for Circa to bring in fresh talent to change the music scene in Toronto.
The fact is, number one purpose of any club is to make a profit, and I don't know Peter Galtain's partners, but I'm pretty sure they didn't fund Circa just because they love music. They want money.
If any club takes a risk and brings in unknown talents and whatnot, it's taking a big business risk. Many clubs don't have money to run deficit and we don't know how much money a multi million dollar venture like Circa has either.
If it's stupid, but it works, then it's not stupid. |
Just to add to that, I suspect it would be a good idea for Circa to not bring in the unknown talents while it's just getting started so that they can make some money and get their name out there as a consistently good night club. Then once they've made a good name for themselves and have a lot of money to fall back on they can start taking risks. |
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| Geoffb3 |
ya man ... its actually a pretty good line up ... no complaints at all ... i hope im back from new york by then ....
thanx |
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| ChemEnhanced |
lets make one thing clear....circa is not the only club who is recycling DJs. Guv, TiL, Footwork, etc. are all recycling DJs. The clubs are all becoming VIP look at me clubs.
The problem with the Toronto scene is there are not enough people who care about or know of DJs outside of the ones that are BIG names or ones that have been here numerous times and club owners refuse to take risk.
Every club is going to have a certain percentage of people who will be there every friday or saturday and it doesn't matter who is spinning. The clubs are not going to loose that much if they take a risk every now and then......and the club owners need to realize this. What Toronto really needs is an owner who actually loves the music, has balls, and a dream to make the toronto scene something special. |
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