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Club Circa VS Guvernment (pg. 13)
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| Fuertez |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Granted it may not have all been minimal but there was alot of it in there...
One thing it was is SLOW!!!
Slow slow slow....
I don't think he ever picked it up over 128...
even 1 hr at that speed is bad forget about 10...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
He's always played like that and he always will....
I hope he never comes back..... |
is this guy talking about THE Danny Tenaglia??? always played like what, slow minimal???? what a joke. mr. vdub i recommend you go out and purchase GU-Athens, GU-London. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
It's slow, boring house stripped down to its bare elements...
It has no body, structure, climax, energy... |
This is sig worthy.:) |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vanos
thank god there is no trance in circa.
the less trance the better.
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hmmm you are def on a wrong website.
see ya |
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| Dark_Archonis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
While I somewhat agree with you on many of your points, I get a feeling that you feel it's some sort of 'moral' duty for Circa to bring in fresh talent to change the music scene in Toronto.
The fact is, number one purpose of any club is to make a profit, and I don't know Peter Galtain's partners, but I'm pretty sure they didn't fund Circa just because they love music. They want money.
If any club takes a risk and brings in unknown talents and whatnot, it's taking a big business risk. Many clubs don't have money to run deficit and we don't know how much money a multi million dollar venture like Circa has either.
If it's stupid, but it works, then it's not stupid. |
Oh give me a break. Peter Galtain is loaded to the gills with profits from his other clubs. No it's not a "moral" duty for Circa to bring in fresh talent and change the scene, simply they have the opportunity to do so, but I know they very likely won't so it dissapoints me. Fact is Galtain can afford to take some risks, if he wanted to, but so far it's clear that he doesn't want to take risks and he is perfectly content with making Circa just like most clubs in Toronto. In other words, making it a club that "plays it safe" and mostly brings in old names and old talent.
You do have a point; number one purpose of any club (in North America) is profit, because everyone is so obsessed with money in North America. In Europe, it's not as clear cut. You WILL find clubs in Europe that are in it more for the music than for the money. There are a handful of tiny spots in Toronto also that are more for the music than for the money.
If a club is making a steady profit, then what's the next move? To be greedy and continue focusing on making more profits?
Historically, the *original* purpose of clubs was for people to relax and have a good time.
If you're making a steady profit, as many clubs in Toronto are, then why not actually try and improve the scene or improve your club by taking risks and bringing in different talent? It's because Toronto club owners for the most part just don't care. They're making profit, and they don't care about anything else. In Europe, quite a few clubs are run by former producers/DJs or people who are from the music industry. In Toronto, almost all club owners are business suits who aren't even interested in music.
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
lets make one thing clear....circa is not the only club who is recycling DJs. Guv, TiL, Footwork, etc. are all recycling DJs. The clubs are all becoming VIP look at me clubs.
The problem with the Toronto scene is there are not enough people who care about or know of DJs outside of the ones that are BIG names or ones that have been here numerous times and club owners refuse to take risk.
Every club is going to have a certain percentage of people who will be there every friday or saturday and it doesn't matter who is spinning. The clubs are not going to loose that much if they take a risk every now and then......and the club owners need to realize this. What Toronto really needs is an owner who actually loves the music, has balls, and a dream to make the toronto scene something special. |
Exactly. Toronto club owners for the most part have no love for the music, no real imagination, and are only worried about profits.
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
How many appearances have we had for Simian Mobile Disco, Crystal Castles, Matthew Dear/Audion, Sebastian and Kavinsky...?
It's really hard for you to quote a FEW names in response to my post and claim that Circa is just recycling DJs...but you're ignoring the majority of who has been there. Compile a list of who's spun in every room...most are virtual unknowns to most people here.
I will say that Circa's promoters have a long way to go. Pretty flyers with no DJs listed will not do here...people are more savvy here and want details. Circa is also not catering mainly to a savvy EDM audience though...which I suspect is the real reason that you and others here express negative attitudes or disappointment toward Circa. |
You just listed names that OCCASIONALLY have appeared at Circa. I just browsed through the event archive at Circa's page, and *most of the time*, the headliners have been old names that Toronto has seen before. If I list every single name from the small rooms, many of them are likely unknown local DJs. Just like DJs who spin at small rooms of any other club in Toronto; they are usually unknown and usually local, that's why they're in the small rooms.
As far as I know, Simian or Sebastian & Kavinsky have only been to Circa once (or are going to be there for the first time), yet we have a mainstream hip hop star (Lupe Fiasco) showing up at Circa for 2nd time now in the last few months. What kind of statement do you think that sends to savvy clubgoers? Honestly, I want to hear your response, and please don't give me that tired old story of "Circa is a new club, and cannot afford to take risks".
Like I said earlier, I applaud Circa for booking acts like Sebastian, or Simian Mobile Disco, or Crystal Castles. But booking fresh talent like that needs to happen MORE often. It should be the norm, not the exception. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Dark_Archonis |
lol. you happened to know Galtane's personal account?
you do know he had to get investors in order to fund Circa? |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
It's slow, boring house stripped down to its bare elements...
It has no body, structure, climax, energy... |
You have NO clue what you are talking about. Hit up a techno party that's going off and I gaurantee you will retract your statement.
As for this thread, I agree with a lot of it but I also disagree with some things. I may post more later, heading to sleep. |
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| jalalinator |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dark_Archonis
Serious risks? Give me a break. With names like Sebastian, and Duke Dumont they are catering to the "artsy crowd". Toronto really has a lack of artsy clubs doesn't it :rolleyes:.
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You sound like you really dont know what your talking about..Toronto saturated with minimal? Where, I'd love to be there if this is the case! |
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| jalalinator |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
You have NO clue what you are talking about. Hit up a techno party that's going off and I gaurantee you will retract your statement.
As for this thread, I agree with a lot of it but I also disagree with some things. I may post more later, heading to sleep. |
Amen, its bad enough theres almost no techno/minimal in the city, but everyone else has to bash it consistantly.. guys I love trance too and we here in Toronto are spoiled with the amount of Trance artists that come down, so why hate just because you dont like/understand techno or minimal? |
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| Djsketchbag |
I went to CIRCA for the 1st time for fixation, and I was impressed with the club it's very pretty to look at .... the sound is okay, the main room dance floor resembled more of a mosh pit then a dance floor I don't think I saw one person actually dancing, the place is a total maze (but that’s probably because I’m not familiar with the layout) the crowd is horrible it was so annoyed that halfway through the night I had to send barbi a txt "we need to have an ethnic cleansing of the popped collar crowd". The staff is meh, coat check was horrible but I think it was because of the event.
Honestly I hate the Guv main room but I rather be there then CIRCA, what other people have said though is very true these are two different clubs but I will not go to CIRCA unless its a DJ I really want too see. It took me this long to go there in the first place and I’m glad because I was not missing out on much. |
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| smuncky |
| LONG LIVE TRANCE MUSIC! |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sasha
Recycling DJ's at Footwork? hmm... you are on crack |
I smoked a huge rock before I typed that....sorry.
Footwork still brings in alot of the same DJs every year. They are not as bad as other clubs in Toronto but they still recycle. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dark_Archonis
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As far as I know, Simian or Sebastian & Kavinsky have only been to Circa once (or are going to be there for the first time), yet we have a mainstream hip hop star (Lupe Fiasco) showing up at Circa for 2nd time now in the last few months. What kind of statement do you think that sends to savvy clubgoers? Honestly, I want to hear your response, and please don't give me that tired old story of "Circa is a new club, and cannot afford to take risks".
Like I said earlier, I applaud Circa for booking acts like Sebastian, or Simian Mobile Disco, or Crystal Castles. But booking fresh talent like that needs to happen MORE often. It should be the norm, not the exception. |
I don't expect a club to book what you will call "cutting edge" talent week after week. I'm not so naive to think that we, the "music savvy" partiers, are as critical to a large club's success as having some mass appeal. We are the VAST MINORITY in the overall club scene at Circa, Guv, TiL and any other large-ish club.
I expect something different and TALENT to be booked. Circa is booking talent and if I only go once or twice a month, that's just fine...because the rest of the city has something to offer too.
I think expectations are running a wee bit too high for Circa, given it's size and length of time it's been open. A smaller venue (like Footwork) is far better equipped to cater to a more "savvy" EDM crowd who want to see more "cutting edge" talent brought in.
I would love to see some good minimal techno DJs like Dustin Zahn or Dirtybird booked for Toronto. Who's going to take that chance though...a big club like Circa or a smaller place like Footwork who can fill their venue from TA and Tribe alone for that type of night? |
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