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| ChemEnhanced |
| I can't stand the Conservative Negative Campaigning....how about tell us what you are going to do for us instead of telling us how bad Dion is....even their website is full of negative campaigning |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
or how about being able to drive an electric car that you can recharge? That won't ever happen under a Conservative government.
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I don't want to defend the CPC, but what is their implication with electric cars? Canada isn't home of a major car company. If the electric car never becomes a reality, it would have been because of foreign decisions (USA, Japan, Europe...), nothing that we could do about, even less the CPC. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I can't stand the Conservative Negative Campaigning....how about tell us what you are going to do for us instead of telling us how bad Dion is....even their website is full of negative campaigning |
This didn't seem to bother you when the Liberals were doing it last election... |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I can't stand the Conservative Negative Campaigning....how about tell us what you are going to do for us instead of telling us how bad Dion is....even their website is full of negative campaigning |
Harper's camp have learned their techniques from the Carl Rove style of negative campaiging that unfortunately worked very well for Bush. Reagan used the same kind of outright negative and fear mongering tactics against Mondale in 84 too.
The pre-election call Conservative ad that trumped up Harper as being a "good family man" and someone that you could "have a beer with" (basically just a personality ad) is way too similar to AMerican politics for my liking. Dion might not have a lot of charisma, but he is super intelligent man and I believe that Canadian politics and elections should be about the issues.
So far Harper has offered nothing substantial except label Dion as "raising your taxes". Gee, does this sound familiar to what we heard ALL week at the Republican National Convention?
Harper, Bush, McCain = neoconservatives. They have essentially the same agenda and I pity Canadians who are taken in by their ing BS. Oooh, we reduced the GST by 1%!! Let's not forget that it was the right wing establishment that brought the ing thing in in the first place. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
This didn't seem to bother you when the Liberals were doing it last election... |
The CPC was just as bad if not worse last election....its the only way they know how to campaign....say little about what they will do and blast others for their short comings. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
I don't want to defend the CPC, but what is their implication with electric cars? Canada isn't home of a major car company. If the electric car never becomes a reality, it would have been because of foreign decisions (USA, Japan, Europe...), nothing that we could do about, even less the CPC. |
yes you're technically right. But when has Harper ever made any real efforts for alternative energy?
They have done absolutely nothing on the environment since taking office in January of 2006. His policies are regressive, not progressive. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
The CPC was just as bad if not worse last election....its the only way they know how to campaign....say little about what they will do and blast others for their short comings. |
You're joking, right? I know your memory isn't that short - probably the main reason the CPC won that election was because Harper's campaign was making specific policy announcements every day.
That obviously doesn't excuse them this time around, but it's also pretty standard for an incumbent government to take that tack... |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You're joking, right? I know your memory isn't that short - probably the main reason the CPC won that election was because Harper's campaign was making specific policy announcements every day.
That obviously doesn't excuse them this time around, but it's also pretty standard for an incumbent government to take that tack... |
Martin did go with a negative campaign...i agree 100%...but the CPC ads with Martin's Face all over them are still burning holes in my eyes. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Martin did go with a negative campaign...i agree 100%...but the CPC ads with Martin's Face all over them are still burning holes in my eyes. |
Hahaha... sure, of course the Tories ran attack ads, but let's be serious, every party does that in every election and I don't think it's reasonable to criticize based on that alone. And at that point in time there was also (again, let's be frank here) so much to criticize. As I understood it, your complaint was about running a bunch of attack ads and not making concrete policy statements. That does seem to be what the Tories are doing right now but it's certainly not what happened last election.
Right now, Dion and the Liberals aren't really saying much in terms of policy either. Nobody is, it's all mudslinging. I think maybe it's just too early in the race... give it about two weeks and we may start to hear more. If you ask me, that's ass-backwards; for maximum effect they should be talking policy first and running attack ads in the final two weeks, but for some reason that's not how campaigns seem to be run in Canada. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
well how can you blame the opposition parties for being a little underprepared?
Harper ing broke his own legislation by calling an election an entire year early, which will most likely yield the same results and leave our Parliament in the exact same dysfunctional state that the Conservatives are currently bemoaning.
This election is a farce. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
well how can you blame the opposition parties for being a little underprepared?
Harper ing broke his own legislation by calling an election an entire year early, which will most likely yield the same results and leave our Parliament in the exact same dysfunctional state that the Conservatives are currently bemoaning.
This election is a farce. |
and these are truly the only points that need to be made in this thread.
but there is no dysfunciton in parliament (from a CPC standpoint). The CPC has been able to pass legislation with little problem, by somehow making *everything* a confidence measure.
the CPC is getting ed over in committees where opposition majorities have stymied their agenda and are taking the CPC to task on various mini-scandals.
so an election scraps the committees, scraps the 4 byelections, and deflects attention away from the economy. i.e. CPC political gain. yet Harper brought in fixed election dates specifically to prevent this type of gain.
HYPOCRITE. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
HYPOCRITE. |
Duceppe will ing eat him in the debate(s) over this... i think i'll vote Bloc this time around. |
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