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Federal Election 2008 Thread (pg. 5)
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| malek |
you are referring to the 500M defecit of april and may, but we had a 1.7B surplus in June... so there's no defecit in sight.
I think Harper didn't believe that he would be in office for so long, his 5 points program has been fulfilled and he wants to come back again with another program for the next few years. He proved everyone that he sticked to his plan throughout (best PM since I have been following politics)... not trying to defend him, but i have to give him credit for that! |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
you are referring to the 500M defecit of april and may, but we had a 1.7B surplus in June... so there's no defecit in sight.
I think Harper didn't believe that he would be in office for so long, his 5 points program has been fulfilled and he wants to come back again with another program for the next few years. He proved everyone that he sticked to his plan throughout (best PM since I have been following politics)... not trying to defend him, but i have to give him credit for that! |
I'll give him credit in that he stuck to his 5 point plan; however, their fiscal management has been terrible, they've managed to lower themselves to the same ty brokerage politics they slam the Liberals for, and he's calling an election needlessly for his own political advantage (cutting his losses). I was excited when the Conservatives were elected... they promised more transparency and accountability, unfortunately what we got was far less of both.
BTW, I'm refering to August... we were in deficit in August, I was unaware about April and May. Being in deficit in May but surplus in June suggests to me that my hunch about August's deficit being due to quarterly tax payments not yet being collected is correct, but it's still too close for comfort. |
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| Orko |
Is anybody else worried about the tories not being as accountable as they said they were going to be? I recall a few moves by them, where they have made it harder for the public/media to find out what they are doing. Example:
| quote: | Tories kill access to information database
The federal Conservatives have quietly killed an access to information registry used by journalists, experts and the public that users say helped hold the government accountable.
The Coordination of Access to Information Requests System, or CAIRS, is an electronic list of nearly every access to information request filed to federal departments and agencies.
Originally created in 1989, it was used as an internal tool to keep track of requests and co-ordinate the government's response between agencies to potentially sensitive information released.
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008...rs.html?ref=rss |
There were a few others, but I would have to go back and search for them. This is like killing the database to a public community library. 'We have lots of books, but you will have to guess if we have what you want.'.
I had to use this at work sometimes, and I thought it was actually pretty useful, and a great way for people to just read more about their government. |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
The gay and abortion issues are dead. Get over it. Harper put it to a free vote, and he repsects the vote as any democratic politician would.
And as for all this bull calling him a liar because he is "breaking his own legislation". Minority gov't's are meant to function as an interm government and as such are not to last for more than 2-3 years. This is not just for federal politics but provincial as well. Harper could not let the gov't sit for a year and get dick all acomplished. It would cost the country more then 300 million to sit and do nothing progressive for a year.
In all honesty I feel like I'm wasting my time writing this however. This is a thread in the Toronto page. Toronto loves their Liberals no matter how much they prove to be corrupt and ineffiecent with taxpayer money.
The best thing to happen to this country would be a majority Consevative country. I will be voting conservative and I am very proud to support them. |
Well said! |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I'll give him credit in that he stuck to his 5 point plan; however, their fiscal management has been terrible, they've managed to lower themselves to the same ty brokerage politics they slam the Liberals for, and he's calling an election needlessly for his own political advantage (cutting his losses). I was excited when the Conservatives were elected... they promised more transparency and accountability, unfortunately what we got was far less of both.
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You are right about diluting his spendings and going over the top on military spendings, instead of cutting income taxes to let provinces take what they need, he augmented transfers significantly (an error in my book).
Unless the CPC cuts back taxes for the middle class, i don't see why I should vote for a "right" version of the liberals. |
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| malek |
| First CPC concrete promess: cutting in half diesel federal tax from 4c to 2c on each liter. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Unless the CPC cuts back taxes for the middle class, i don't see why I should vote for a "right" version of the liberals. |
I think you can give up on this hope... the Conservatives have been pretty clear that they want to make targeted tax cuts, not general... so unless you're part of a constituency they are trying to buy votes from you're probably out of luck (another old brokerage party tactic they have adopted).
Man, I miss the Reform... they were squirle nutty but at least you could trust them. |
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| Skipper |
| Didn't the federal surplus get doled out for infrastructure spending earlier this summer? Does that happen on a monthly basis? Surely not.. |
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| Orko |
Just had reps from my Conservative MP (Wajid Khan, Streetsville, MIssissauga), come to my door.
Them:"Can we count on your support?"
Me:"depends on where he stands on the issues"
Them:"ok what are they"
Me: named the copyright bill, and naturpathic regulatory bill
Them: silent
Me: "Why did Mr. Khan switch from being elected as a liberal, to sitting as a conservative?"
Them: 'the liberals did not vote or show up to work. Mr. Dion drove him away'.
They obviously are not versed on the issues, so I have asked for a meeting with him for next week. |
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| MarkT |
^^^
awesome. you're a better man than I.
I'd have just laughed in their face and told them that I'm not supporting Harper for a number of reasons (and listed them), and wouldn't SOLELY for the fact that this election is completely unnecessary and hypocritical.
I honestly commend people for volunteering in support of their chosen political party/candidate...but GET A ING CLUE before you have the balls to ask other people for their support.
(that naturopathic bill really should be getting more press. education, not regulation, is what is needed here, IMHO). |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
I honestly commend people for volunteering in support of their chosen political party/candidate...but GET A ING CLUE before you have the balls to ask other people for their support.
(that naturopathic bill really should be getting more press. education, not regulation, is what is needed here, IMHO). |
Yeah their volunteers not being informed is a big problem. I got a call from a Conservo rep the other day:
him:" Hi Mr. Jain, are you voting conservative this election?"
Me:"Well that depends on where they stand on some key issues"
Him: "Well have you been watching the debates to help you decide?"
Me: "Harper called the election on Sunday, today is Tuesday, there haven't been any debates yet, so how can I watch them?"
Him:"I have no more questions for you, good bye"
Bunch of idiots. Even if I was a volunteer, I would be asking to be better supported with material than they seem to be.
I would prefer them leave naturapthic options alone. |
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| Spam |
We're having this election because Dion was stupid enough to muse that "Canadians are ready for a fall election." The second I heard he said that, I knew we'd be having one, whether they (the Liberals) voted against the government or not.
Every time Dion or the Liberals have said something in parliament, Harper has called their bluff EVERY time, and this time was no different. LOL, silly Dion.
This of course, does not excuse his blatant disrespect for his own law, but it sure is funny to watch his poll-numbers go up this week after doing it. Lovin' Layton helping him out by framing this election about "Leadership". What's a poor Liberal to do when Harper's lookin' all, prime-minister-like on the right, and Layton's yellin about leadership on the left? Liberals need someone cunning. Maybe they should work on wooing Elizabeth May? The way she got into the debates was pure brilliance, "Is it because we have no elected MP's in parliament? NO! Sexism, sexism, sexism!"
It may be a waste of 300 mil, but damn is our 21986523856329875628 party system entertaining! |
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