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| quddha |
| quote: | Originally posted by bluejay
ok, let's say we quit right now and pack up...
what if in the next year the terroist attacks again but they attack again. and another 9/11 happens again...
don't you think the u.s. has a right to be concerned in this scenerio. i hope the u.s. stays as long as they need to stay. |
Of course you should have concerned. But, I don't see how continuation of the bombings in Afghanistan can prevent future terrorist attacks. This war on Afghanistan was mislabelled as a war on Terrorism, I believe. My point is that bombing Afghanistan does not prevent terrorism. What prevent's terrorism then? I don't know, but its not bombing Afghanistan. :P If another attack comes, you cannot blame it on "we didn't bomb them enough." The terrorists are more likely inside your borders than they are in Afghanistan. You're after Al-Queda, they have no nationality, and no country. If you destroy afghanistan, they'll just move somewhere else. |
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| evil_bastard |
| quote: | Originally posted by bluejay
how do you people want the u.s. to respond??? just let it go??? c'mon, if something this big happened in your country, you would retaliate too. and if you say "well, retaliation is ok to a certain point." so when do you say when??? i mean there will always be some people out there that will critisize your length in a war even if it was bombing for just one day. i'm confused to as how you guys want the u.s. act? |
This is all well and good, but an all or nothing attitude is the sort of thing I assosciate with bigots and fascists.
You accept that there is an extent to which the US can retaliate. Too little, too much, etc. If someone says it's too much, they are not saying the US shouldn't be there.
Many, like myself, think the US should be there, and elsewhere, but that she should do the job properly, not for the cameras. A proper job will cost American lives and it will cost the taxpayer a lot of money, and the US govt is willing to forfeit neither of those things. Hence, she is willing to cosmetically sort out the problem.
It's not black and white, it's not a case of "well we can either bomb them to or we can do nothing". There is a middle to the two extremes.
Is the task in capable hands or is it being fought for the cameras, for votes? Well, given we live in a democracy, where there is a lot to be gained by cutting corners and lying (Stephen Byers anyone?), I'd put my money on the latter. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by quddha
Of course you should have concerned. But, I don't see how continuation of the bombings in Afghanistan can prevent future terrorist attacks. This war on Afghanistan was mislabelled as a war on Terrorism, I believe. My point is that bombing Afghanistan does not prevent terrorism. What prevent's terrorism then? I don't know, but its not bombing Afghanistan. :P If another attack comes, you cannot blame it on "we didn't bomb them enough." The terrorists are more likely inside your borders than they are in Afghanistan. You're after Al-Queda, they have no nationality, and no country. If you destroy afghanistan, they'll just move somewhere else. |
are u kidding me?
THERE IS TERRORIST TRAINING CAMPS IN AFGHANISTAN
DOOOOOO YOOOOUUUU UNNNDEEERRRSSSSTTTAAAANNNDDDDD THAAAAAAATTTT?????
now since there are SO MANY terrorist camps in Afghanistan common sense would tell you...bomb Agfghanistan...
do you think America is out every day bomobing civilians?...get real..we are targetting terrorist camps...it jus so happens that in war and being human MISTAKES CAN AND WILL HAPPEN...its sad but true...unavoidable...
maybe we should jus let those terrorist camps that are in Afghanistan saty where they are and reestablish a stronger regime...is that what u want?////....unbeleivable.... |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_bastard
This is all well and good, but an all or nothing attitude is the sort of thing I assosciate with bigots and fascists.
You accept that there is an extent to which the US can retaliate. Too little, too much, etc. If someone says it's too much, they are not saying the US shouldn't be there.
Many, like myself, think the US should be there, and elsewhere, but that she should do the job properly, not for the cameras. A proper job will cost American lives and it will cost the taxpayer a lot of money, and the US govt is willing to forfeit neither of those things. Hence, she is willing to cosmetically sort out the problem.
It's not black and white, it's not a case of "well we can either bomb them to or we can do nothing". There is a middle to the two extremes.
Is the task in capable hands or is it being fought for the cameras, for votes? Well, given we live in a democracy, where there is a lot to be gained by cutting corners and lying (Stephen Byers anyone?), I'd put my money on the latter. |
LOL.....too funny...your right George Bush is bombing Afghanistan to be re-elected in 3 years...LOL....
and all the troops their fighting are their for photo ops for Time magazine covers...its all 1 big fame and fortune task...
LOL....u people really scare me |
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| Time2Burn |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
NO THREAT out of Afghanistan?.....hhhhmmmmm i guess the Taliban and Al Queda have camps in Moscow.....
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Hmmm as a matter of fact....
Remember those pilots and hijackers? How long were they in the US b4 the attack? Believe it or not there is a large world wide network of American dissent... AND yes right inside your own country! But also in Canada, Britain, Germany, Italy and any other democratic "westernised" nations.
So what do you bomb your own? (and yes i do mean to generalize all western nations together... This is a war of so called civilised countries VS. so called uncivilised ones. ) Of course NOT that is perposterous.
So why take on Afganistan?
Why Iraq?
Why take on anyone who does not share the same western ideals?
It is about about power and control nothing more nothing less..
Forget all this anti terror rhetoric. There is far more than meets the eye when it comes to why the US invade certain countries and not others. |
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| ampburner |
let's open up a new section for these discussions?
Music Discussion
Chill out room
International 'Diplomacy' section
and so on... |
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| evil_bastard |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
LOL.....too funny...your right George Bush is bombing Afghanistan to be re-elected in 3 years...LOL....
and all the troops their fighting are their for photo ops for Time magazine covers...its all 1 big fame and fortune task...
LOL....u people really scare me |
Please don't be a pratt.
As a matter of fact, one of the single biggest concerns to a politician in a democratic system is his ratings. |
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| quddha |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Forget all this anti terror rhetoric. There is far more than meets the eye when it comes to why the US invade certain countries and not others. |
You take any political science course, in Senior High School or University, and the Prof will tell you this. It just bugs me when its disguised as something else. Government elected by the people, hiding the facts from the people. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Hmmm as a matter of fact....
Remember those pilots and hijackers? How long were they in the US b4 the attack? Believe it or not there is a large world wide network of American dissent... AND yes right inside your own country! But also in Canada, Britain, Germany, Italy and any other democratic "westernised" nations. |
RIGHT...however we have exact knowledge WHERE in Afghanistan...if we had exact knowledge where in other regions we would take action there aswell.....
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
So why take on Afganistan? . |
because that where the Taliban and Al Queeda are based at..that is where they established their main territory and that is where Bin Laden was known to be at...also because the training camps arte in AFghanistan...is that reason enough?
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
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u cant be serious...u think we are bombing Afghanistan for the opium?...wow what a conspiracy theorist you are...whats next we bomb Columbia for their cocaine?>...LOL get real and stop beleiving in UFOs
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Why Iraq?
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WHY Iraq?...well because Hussein is a mad man with biological and chemical weapons that will eventually go crazy and kill Americans...thats why....
and jus to let u know...we dont get the majority of our oil from the middle east...we get it from many other places..the people who get the majority of their oil from the middle east are Europeans and Asians...u better watch out or those aliens might abduct u again..
Why take on anyone who does not share the same western ideals?
i love conspiracy theorists..they are so smart....LOL...always full of half truths and liberal bull... |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by quddha
You take any political science course, in Senior High School or University, and the Prof will tell you this. It just bugs me when its disguised as something else. Government elected by the people, hiding the facts from the people. |
hahahahha where u abducted by aliens also?...how mnay UFOs have u seen? and is there water on Mars?
i mean get real people ... i am not denying that the government does not tell us everything but u guys are really reaching |
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| bluejay |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_bastard
Please don't be a pratt.
As a matter of fact, one of the single biggest concerns to a politician in a democratic system is his ratings. |
yes, those ratings that are based from the publics' perspectives...but i bet we are too blinded and can't tell the difference when a politician is trying to boost his ratings, right??? |
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| JohnSmith |
tiesto14...
every post, i think you can't possibly be any more naive, and you keep amazing me. |
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